Splash Brothers vs Trash Brothers official game thread

[Full Measures]

I'm not a big fan of Mudiay. With the Wall comment I was trying to be unbiased and present the other side of the argument. I've had mudiay pegged as a bust and still do tbh

In your opinion why do you think that breh?

 

[labelplant]

In your opinion why do you think that breh?

Because I like skilled players. mudiay is probably the least skilled guard in the league right now. Same with bball iq. It's just not there. It takes more than athletic ability and size to be a good player. Mudiay just doesn't understand the game at a high level and doesnt make winning plays.
First time I saw him was in EYBL, years back and his team had the worst record. Mudiay put up numbers but he shot a low percentage and had a bunch of turnovers. If you can't even succeed in AAU, than you probably won't be very good in the NBA. Same thing in China, he put up numbers but his team played better w/o him. I didn't watch him play in China but that's what happened tho.

 

[labelplant]

Out of players with at least 200 possessions combined pick n roll Ball handler, isolation and post ups.
Mudiay has the lowest points per possession.

Here is a list of some of the Better players.
Player - total points - possessions - ppp
James Harden 517 574 .901
Russell Westbrook 474 551 .860
Reggie Jackson 438 517 .847
DeMar DeRozan 453 481 .942
Carmelo Anthony 378 439 .861
Damian Lillard 386 432 .894
LeBron James 356 421 .846
Brandon Knight 322 410 .785
Dwyane Wade 314 389 .807
Paul George 319 376 .848
CJ McCollum 356 367 .970
Chris Paul 314 363 .865
Kyle Lowry 275 363 .758
Kemba Walker 319 362 .881
John Wall 255 361 .706
Eric Bledsoe 329 359 .916
Jahlil Okafor 282 341 .827
Jimmy Butler 297 325 .914
Kobe Bryant 245 318 .770
Andrew Wiggins 279 310 0.900
Jeff Teague 241 305 .790
Marc Gasol 235 283 .830
Mike Conley 235 280 .839
Isaiah Thomas 251 280 .896
Steph Curry 302 279 1.082
Kevin Durant 297 276 1.076
Rajon Rondo 204 272 .75
Jarrett Jack 213 267 .798
Blake Griffin 256 264 .970
Dennis Schroder 201 262 .767
Zach LaVine 211 260 .812
Jordan Clarkson 204 252 .810
Monta Ellis 188 249 .755
Marcus Morris 207 242 .855
Tony Parker 233 240 .971
Brook Lopez 213 235 .906
Gordon Hayward 187 233 .803
Louis Williams 232 231 1.004
Jrue Holiday 216 226 .956
Zach Randolph 171 222 .770
Kawhi Leonard 222 215 1.033
Victor Oladipo 176 214 .822
DeMarcus Cousins 163 212 .769
Greg Monroe 170 211 .806
Nikola Vucevic 201 207 .971
Deron Williams 169 206 .820
Cory Joseph 196 205 .956
Evan Turner 168 202 .832
Jamal Crawford 160 202 .792

Now, that list doesnt include players with a ppp lower than .75.. But there wasnt a lot of them that had that many possessions. Mudiay though was a dismal 109/228 (.478)

I know he is really young and will obv improve but when you are THAT bad, i just don't see him ever improving enough to be a great player. Not anything close to an all star.
But hey I've been wrong before so..

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

Breh why do you keep quoting them nikkas like they mean something? The majority of them nikkas basketball opinions is garbage and fukking BIASED. The only nikka on that list who knows what he's talking about and isnt biased is @labelplant and even he was wrong about something. I mean you had @DetroitEWarren on the list and he's been quoted as saying that Deandre Jordan has a post game what does he know about basketball?

Are you just going to blatantly ignore all the scouting reports that see similarities between his and Wall's games? I'm giving you opinions of folk on this board and people outside outside of this board - yet it's still not good enough for your dumbass to see you're in the WRONG. While we're on this point - what the fukk do you know about basketball?

These are just some of the examples where you have no idea what you're talking about:

Bass can't shoot 3's.

Neither can Draymond Green

Draymond is taking 3.8 threes a game this season and is hitting them at 41%. Brandon Bass' best 3-pt season is only 0.4 threes a game, completing them at 28%.

Another example -

He only had that impact when Steph is on the floor with him.

The same with Klay except Klay can hold his own a bit more

You stated Draymond only has that kind of impact when Steph is on the floor with him - not only is this wrong in the fact that Draymond doesn't need Steph to be effective on defense, but he just had two games where he put up 10 points, 16 assists and 11 rebounds and 29 points 14 assists and 17 rebounds without Curry (the last game of this two-game span Curry only played 14 minutes).

Another example -

http://www.thecoli.com/threads/golden-state-wont-win-a-title-this-year-bet-it.319108/

The entire offense revolves around 3s. I don't give a damn what stats or analytics yall pull outta your ass to dispute this but their record when they make 12+ 3s as opposed to when they don't is obvious. When they shot 6 for 26 in games 2 & 3 they lost. 6 is less than 12 three pointers. If they don't hit a gang of 3s they can't win

Just watch their sets if you have the games recorded. They run pin downs for Steph and Klay and if that's not open they'll settle for a 2 at the end of the shot clock.

And why do teams even guard Draymond Green? He's not an offensive threat that can beat you. He's not good enough to hang 40 and beat you, hes not gonna make enough threes to beat you, but I see teams have their bigs closing out hard when he gets the ball and give him the chance to penetrate which opens up 3 opportunities. He has no post up game and his jumper is shaky at best so why are teams acting as if he's an active threat?

I'm not even a Cavs fan but if they make it out of the West finals and play Cleveland, they getting swept Hawkset will beat them too but GS will win a game or two in that one

I'm willing to accept a ban bet @Blackthoughts

The above is you making a thread saying the Warriors wouldn't win a title last season.

Another example -

Then how the hell did this narrative of him being able to "guard all 5 positions" come about?

What makes it even more dangerous is what Green’s defensive versatility means in terms of the other three players on the floor. Coming into the league, he was seen as a tweener forward, a guy not fast enough to match up with small forwards and not big enough to hang with power forwards. As it turns out, he has managed to leverage his unique set of physical tools in a way that allows him to defend all five positions.

Green can man the middle like an adept rim protector and effectively switch onto smaller guards on the perimeter, sometimes on the same possession. LeBron James is touted for his ability to defend all five positions, but that doesn’t mean he does it particularly well. Opponents shot a considerably lower percentage than their averages from every area on the court whenever Green was guarding them, per NBA.com/Stats. Finding a player who can actually, effectively guard any position like Green is perhaps as rare as Sunday’s supermoon lunar eclipse.

In an era in which versatility breeds success, you will be hard-pressed to find a more versatile defender in the NBA.

Specifically, Green is one of a select few who has the ability to functionally defend one-through-five.

In fact,according to SportVU, opposing point guards score at an average of 0.39 points per possession — with the league average being 0.63 on drives — when attempting to take Green off the bounce. Bigs, similarly, struggle to score against Green as well, as he only surrenders 0.68 points per post-up, the best mark of anyone in the league who has defended more than 75 post-ups this season.

Additionally, despite being labeled as a small forward masquerading as a four, Green is one of the best rim protectors in the association.

In fact, opposing rim attackers convert on only 45.8 percentof their shot attempts at the rim when Green is patrolling the paint, the best mark of anyone not named Dwight Howard, Andrew Bogut, Roy Hibbert or Serge Ibaka — a.k.a. the NBA’s core of elite defensive anchors.

Top-10 Rim Protectors This Season

Pos. Opp FGA at Rim per game Opp FG% at Rim
Serge Ibaka F/C 8.1 40.2%
Roy Hibbert C 8.0 40.4%
Andrew Bogut C 7.4 40.8%
Dwight Howard C 8.2 44.9%
Draymond Green F 6.5 45.8%
Larry Sanders C 7.0 45.8%
Tim Duncan F/C 9.1 46.2%
DeMarcus Cousins C 9.3 47.3%
Nerlens Noel F/C 8.3 47.5%
Josh Smith F 6.6 47.6%
*Data courtesy of NBA Stats

Another example -

Okafor for Porzingis straight up. Porzingis would fit better in that system and Okafor would fit better in the triangle and theyll be closer to competing and making Melo happy

Get it done Phil

You're saying that the Knicks would be better off with Okafor - who can't defend to save his own life and is a ineffective blackhole on offense would put them in a better positioning of competing than a legit 7-fter who can hit outside shots, run the floor, protect the rim, guard out on the perimeter, hit the glass and isn't reliant upon having the ball in his hands to be effective.



Do you want me to go on and give you more examples of you saying dumb shyt?

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

And no Mudiay has not shown any defensive potential. His coach Mike Malone agrees with me on that point. I can post the article to prove it too. And he cannot get to the Tim at will. This is simply not true. He's no Tyreke Evans

And if you can compare Mudiay to Wall then I'm gonna compare Randle to Paul Millsap. Randle has the same career trajectory as Paul Millsap

Again - you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about because you don't WATCH Nuggets games. Stop talking as if you do. Just take your L and KIM.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

Because I like skilled players. mudiay is probably the least skilled guard in the league right now. Same with bball iq. It's just not there. It takes more than athletic ability and size to be a good player. Mudiay just doesn't understand the game at a high level and doesnt make winning plays.
First time I saw him was in EYBL, years back and his team had the worst record. Mudiay put up numbers but he shot a low percentage and had a bunch of turnovers. If you can't even succeed in AAU, than you probably won't be very good in the NBA. Same thing in China, he put up numbers but his team played better w/o him. I didn't watch him play in China but that's what happened tho.

This isn't even close to being accurate. He has a high understanding of the game - great floor visibility and can competently run an offense. The thing that's holding him back is his shooting ability and aggressiveness (which has had an effect on his confidence). Prior to being injured -

"Passes and surveys the floor just as well as Wall did at 19. Competent defender. Can get to the rim at will - it's funny you say he doesn't do anything remotely as well as Wall did at the same age when he can break off his defender and get into the lane just as well as Wall's doing THIS SEASON - Wall 8.3 drives per game, Mudiay 7.5 drives per game (25th in the league - more than Conley, Lawson, Payton, Knight etc etc)."



That is not the game of someone who's the least skilled guard in the league.

 

[jaydolf spitler]

Are you just going to blatantly ignore all the scouting reports that see similarities between his and Wall's games? I'm giving you opinions of folk on this board and people outside outside of this board - yet it's still not good enough for your dumbass to see you're in the WRONG. While we're on this point - what the fukk do you know about basketball?

These are just some of the examples where you have no idea what you're talking about:


Draymond is taking 3.8 threes a game this season and is hitting them at 41%. Brandon Bass' best 3-pt season is only 0.4 threes a game, completing them at 28%.

Another example -

You stated Draymond only has that kind of impact when Steph is on the floor with him - not only is this wrong in the fact that Draymond doesn't need Steph to be effective on defense, but he just had two games where he put up 10 points, 16 assists and 11 rebounds and 29 points 14 assists and 17 rebounds without Curry (the last game of this two-game span Curry only played 14 minutes).

Another example -

http://www.thecoli.com/threads/golden-state-wont-win-a-title-this-year-bet-it.319108/


The above is you making a thread saying the Warriors wouldn't win a title last season.

Another example -




Another example -

You're saying that the Knicks would be better off with Okafor - who can't defend to save his own life and is a ineffective blackhole on offense would put them in a better positioning of competing than a legit 7-fter who can hit outside shots, run the floor, protect the rim, guard out on the perimeter, hit the glass and isn't reliant upon having the ball in his hands to be effective.



Do you want me to go on and give you more examples of you saying dumb shyt?

Was waiting for this response

at that dude thinking he some basketball genius

 

[MJ Truth]

Andre Drummond's entire game is built off of hustle. Kenneth Faried's entire game is built off of hustle. Patrick Beverley's entire game is built off of hustle. DeAndre Jordan's entire game is built off of hustle.

I just named 4 full-time starters whose games are built off of hustle. You sound dumb as hell. If Randle develops a consistent jumper he will be a matchup problem on offense in addition to being a rebounding machine.

Mudiay isn't even the best point guard on his team. A 34 year old Jameer Nelson is having the better season.

Anyone who looks at Mudiay'sgame and sees anything similar to John Wall is someone who just doesn't know the game at all

You're arguing with someone who clearly doesn't know shyt about hooping breh.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

You're arguing with someone who clearly doesn't know shyt about hooping breh.

Any someone who said D'Angelo is easily going to be the best PG in a few years knows what they're talking bout?

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

@MJ Truth did you just go through all my posts hoping to get a win. You sound like a woman scored right about now.

 

[Full Measures]

Are you just going to blatantly ignore all the scouting reports that see similarities between his and Wall's games? I'm giving you opinions of folk on this board and people outside outside of this board - yet it's still not good enough for your dumbass to see you're in the WRONG. While we're on this point - what the fukk do you know about basketball?

These are just some of the examples where you have no idea what you're talking about:


Draymond is taking 3.8 threes a game this season and is hitting them at 41%. Brandon Bass' best 3-pt season is only 0.4 threes a game, completing them at 28%.

Another example -

You stated Draymond only has that kind of impact when Steph is on the floor with him - not only is this wrong in the fact that Draymond doesn't need Steph to be effective on defense, but he just had two games where he put up 10 points, 16 assists and 11 rebounds and 29 points 14 assists and 17 rebounds without Curry (the last game of this two-game span Curry only played 14 minutes).

Another example -

http://www.thecoli.com/threads/golden-state-wont-win-a-title-this-year-bet-it.319108/


The above is you making a thread saying the Warriors wouldn't win a title last season.

Another example -




Another example -

You're saying that the Knicks would be better off with Okafor - who can't defend to save his own life and is a ineffective blackhole on offense would put them in a better positioning of competing than a legit 7-fter who can hit outside shots, run the floor, protect the rim, guard out on the perimeter, hit the glass and isn't reliant upon having the ball in his hands to be effective.



Do you want me to go on and give you more examples of you saying dumb shyt?

First of all I was under the impression that Kyrie would be healthy when the Cavs were in the Finals. He wasnt. He is a difference maker. They lost as a result of him being injured

Second, if Draymond can guard all five positions then why did they double whoever he was guarding in the Memphis Series last year?

Third, that post about Okafor was made before the season started I believe although I could be wrong

Fourth, Draymond Green is having a hot start to the season. He won't keep this pace up in regards to three point shooting all season long

Draymond Green is a career 32% three point shooter.

Josh Smith is a career 31% three point shooter

Since you consider Draymond such a great three point shooter, do you also consider Smith to be one as well? Or is the threshold for being a great three point shooter being able to shoot 32% and above?

 

[Full Measures]

You're arguing with someone who clearly doesn't know shyt about hooping breh.

I know. He's so obviously wrong and what's worse is that he refuses to admit he's wrong about something

At least I'll admit when I'm wrong

He won't even answer who'll be the better player between Russell and Mudiay after last nights game

Labelplant just have him hard evidence showing that Mudiay is not what he thinks he is but he still resoonded to him showing clips of a Junior Varsity game to try to prove he was right

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

I know. He's so obviously wrong and what's worse is that he refuses to admit he's wrong about something

You're clueless. You don't watch Nuggets games, so there's no point in you having an opinion on a player's game you can't make an honest projection of.

Labelplant just have him hard evidence showing that Mudiay is not what he thinks he is but he still resoonded to him showing clips of a Junior Varsity game to try to prove he was right

This isn't even close to being accurate. He has a high understanding of the game - great floor visibility and can competently run an offense. The thing that's holding him back is his shooting ability and aggressiveness (which has had an effect on his confidence). Prior to being injured -

"Passes and surveys the floor just as well as Wall did at 19. Competent defender. Can get to the rim at will - it's funny you say he doesn't do anything remotely as well as Wall did at the same age when he can break off his defender and get into the lane just as well as Wall's doing THIS SEASON - Wall 8.3 drives per game, Mudiay 7.5 drives per game (25th in the league - more than Conley, Lawson, Payton, Knight etc etc)."



That is not the game of someone who's the least skilled guard in the league.

That's NOT a "junior varsity game" - it's a NBA game, where Mudiay put up 26 points. How dumb can you be?

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

First of all I was under the impression that Kyrie would be healthy when the Cavs were in the Finals. He wasnt. He is a difference maker. They lost as a result of him being injured

Second, if Draymond can guard all five positions then why did they double whoever he was guarding in the Memphis Series last year?

Third, that post about Okafor was made before the season started I believe although I could be wrong

Fourth, Draymond Green is having a hot start to the season. He won't keep this pace up in regards to three point shooting all season long

Draymond Green is a career 32% three point shooter.

Josh Smith is a career 31% three point shooter

Since you consider Draymond such a great three point shooter, do you also consider Smith to be one as well? Or is the threshold for being a great three point shooter being able to shoot 32% and above?

You're not saying shyt in this post to refute the evidence in which I brought against you.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

Furthermore @Full Measures, the problem with @labelplant bringing up points per possession in PnR, iso and post ups for Mudiay is that he's ONLY a rookie - it's unfair to to compare him against players who're not only more experienced but also better players. He was thrown in at the deep end in Denver to carry the team's offense - to go simply off his production during his first 20 games of his career is beyond irrational.