Spin: The "Real" Problem with Modern Hip Hop.

[Doomsday]

everybody wanna be in a gang and ride for somebody.

Chris Rock spoke nothing but gospel when he said that shyt.

 

[Big Mel]

When counter culture went corporate it all went kablooey. Rap has long been too pimped out to matter like it once did.

 

[Doin2Much Williams]

I just miss the variety in mainstream rap

U dont have regional rap any more.


I discussed this in great lengths over the summer.



The internet and social media became the ultimate demise for the discerning sounds of rap music.


Did this new artist hail from atlanta? Cleveland? Los angeles? Is he a new yorker Or is it texas because his rap monicker starts with "lil" prefix?


Is doesnt matter cuz theyre all making the same record.



And mother fukkers want to constantly defecate and scrutinize ye when he's one of the few mainstream artists doing something remotely unique with his craft.



Fukk it. I give up.




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[lutha]

fans liking/not liking artists, people calling shyt 'real', etc. has been in hip hop since the beginning, so that's not the problem....the 'real' problem with hip hop is that the fans have been brainwashed by big business's marketing plan of there can only be 1.....like i said: all the other shyt has been in hip hop since the beginning, but record labels were willing to put out a different variety of rappers cause even though there was the debate about the best, everyone was still making money.....but as time went on, and pop took parts from different genres to become the dominate genre, the money from hip hop wasnt as good....big business saw no reason to invest money into it like that anymore, so that's when they really started pushing the 'we'll only give investment money to 1' plan....it's not a coincidence you started seeing rappers really going at each other hard to try to end careers sot hey could get that money/spotlight....yea, they tried to say it was competition, but you could see that wasnt the case...anyway, fans have eaten that shyt up more than the artists have...

 

[Yoda]

Listen to blu and stfu

truth!

 

[Hyperion]

This is piggybacking off the 'Young Thug vs. Joey Badass' debate.

Im reading this thread, and it almost was an appraisal of the modern day condition of hip hop and whats wrong with it in my view.

My counter to the thread is "why cant you like both"? I dont think I read one person who even considered that as an option.

Both artists bring something different to the table, so why isnt there space to appreciate both sounds? To me both compliment each other, and have their individual appeal based on whatever mood or setting I happen to be in at that moment.

It seems as tho hip hop fans have slipped into this mindset that liking rap artists is some zero sum game, where in order to throw your support behind one you have to ridicule the other like its some sort of street team b.s

In that thread I read a long post that basically arrived at this position that Joey badass was "trash" because he wasnt well rounded enough. Excuse me? Chuck D and 2pac werent particularly "lyrical". Rakim wasnt all that charismatic , Nas n Krs 1 couldnt make a party record to save their life, Cube was political and Biggie was not, but instead of calling them "trash" because they had holes in their artistry it seems hip hop heads were more open to appreciating who they were, and what their strengths were.

If you dont like Badass, its whatever --- but what I got from the thread was that criticism of him seemed forced. This dovetails to my final point --- hip hop "quality" and popularity is almost completely governed by a major cosign and push. How many artists have blown without being pushed by a major label or by a big name? This has narrowed the sound and whats "hot", and forced artists to fit into increasingly shrinking hole rather than organic environment of a diversity in sound and approaches.

Sorry for the long post, but I think it has merit.

Thoughts?

People these days need a co-sign because they can't think for themselves. They need someone to tell them what's good. And if you have an opinion and share it, people bash you for liking it. There's many lanes in Hip Hop, there's room for a Young Thug just like there's room for a Joey Badass cause neither of those rappers are fukking with each other's money. They have different audiences, though they may share a chunk of it. People will like what they like at the end of it all, but I think it's pointless to hate on people because they like a certain artist. There'll always be room for creativity, especially if other rappers are obsessed with following the same sound.

 

[Art Barr]

the problem with modern rap is the cultural protection mechanism were destroyed.

you can't fake cultural music without a culture being present to take it from.
when, they stripped the culture from the music.
the music became expendable because music about a culture.
that is stripped of its culture.
no longer has any actual value outside of the few mainstream drawing avenues.
that can still draw devoid of the culture.
it is why reggae is not popular anymore in the domestic united states.
it is because there is no prevalent mainstream connectivity to the culture that revolves around reggae music.
yet, the style of commercial record that is prevalent in urban america.
is a ripped off amalgamation of most of vybz kartel's work that goes unnoticed.
all because reggae has no cultural footprint in mainstream america.
same as rap,....
in the not so distant future,...
rap will be all street meets comedy based parody.
or luke based bootyshake records in a mainstream context entirely.
as those records are the only ones who have a mainstream based draw that labels can latch onto.
without having any relevent cultural connection to hiphop through trap music.
after they preyed on the consumer to let non-culturally endorsed rap have a draw and outlet that never should have existed.
let alone been able to produce a draw.



art barr

 

[Real N Quotes]

I thank God that Thugger makes music everyday.

Dude wears dresses...you lost

 

[BmoreGorilla]

Hip hop is never gonna be the way it was when some of us were coming up in the 80s and 90s. shyt was still fresh and it was easy to do something nobody else was doing. R&B was still king and there was a clear division between the two. The two sounds started to merge a little with Guy and New Jack Swing and even further when Puff had Mary J singing over hip hop beats. Than Death Row had Nate Dogg singing over G Funk but shyt really changed when Lauryn Hill was rapping and singing. R&B and Hip Hop haven't been the same since. To show you how backward shyt is Id feel safer at a Drake show than a Chris Brown one. Albums aren't good anymore. I haven't bought one in 5 years everything gets downloaded for free but I have over 200 from the 90s and early 2000s. The best songs on albums are the singles when it used to be the other way around. But it could be worse yall. Hip hop may have never got out of that fad phase and we wouldn't even be having this discussion right now

 

[KingsOfKings]

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