SPIN: Baby girl dies in America from internal injuries

[Blackking]

Breh nobody denies that shyt happens all over the place. And as far as I'm concerned, no offense but I don't even expect things to be better in the US, I don't really have high standards for a country that invades Iraq on a lie, talks about freedom while havnig Guantanamo, talks about "legitimate rape" and "Hold your ground" bs. We've seen the abuses by Catholic priests back here in Europe, and coming from Belgian I know a thing or two about child abuse. So we know.

But at least some countries TRY to make it better. Is it perfect? Of course not. But at least you try to convey the message that marrying (thus an official act) an eight-year old is not normal, and therefore forbidden. It seems like other places (including Yemen) just doesn't give a fukk about those kids.

I guess you haven't checked out every other thread in HL.... people don't really grasp the situation.

 

[mbewane]

I guess you haven't checked out every other thread in HL.... people don't really grasp the situation.

Nah I understand you're pointing out the extra "anti-Islam" activity on this board, and I don't deny that nor the fact that it's ignorant.

But I just wanted to clarify MY position in regards to this particular issue. Notice I didn't say it had anything to do with Islam.
I can only speak for myself tho

 

[Suicide King]

Breh nobody denies that shyt happens all over the place. And as far as I'm concerned, no offense but I don't even expect things to be better in the US, I don't really have high standards for a country that invades Iraq on a lie, talks about freedom while havnig Guantanamo, talks about "legitimate rape" and "Hold your ground" bs. We've seen the abuses by Catholic priests back here in Europe, and coming from Belgium I know a thing or two about child abuse. So we know.

But at least some countries TRY to make it better. Is it perfect? Of course not. But at least you try to convey the message that marrying (thus an official act) an eight-year old is not normal, and therefore forbidden. It seems like other places (including Yemen) just doesn't give a fukk about those kids.

There are very Christian places in Chicago, Compton, Africa, Mexico, Russia that is dangerous as hell. The only problem people have with Islam is people don't speak against barbaric practices/beliefs AND they endorse it with their silence or support.

 

[TheReal_Broke_88m3_13]

Puesdo logic

 

[mbewane]

There are very Christian places in Chicago, Compton, Africa, Mexico, Russia that is dangerous as hell. The only problem people have with Islam is people don't speak against barbaric practices/beliefs AND they endorse it with their silence or support.

Not sure why you're quoting me on this breh. I'm not making this about religion.

 

[theworldismine13]

islam

 

[Blackking]

some issues are larger than what people make them out to be. People just say ignorant shyt about this issue to satisfy their own hate or personal agendas.

 

[theworldismine13]

the difference is that in yemen there is no law against what just happened, and the people blocking the law refer to the koran and islam as the reason to block the law

http://www.yementimes.com/en/1710/n...nstration-demand-minimum-marriage-age-law.htm

“[The] child marriage issue was discussed during the first stage of the conference, but no decisions were made because of the strong opposition of traditional, conservative forces. Tribes and religious groups refused to put the issue to a vote,” Othman said.

 

[Suicide King]

the difference is that in yemen there is no law against what just happened, and the people blocking the law refer to the koran and islam as the reason to block the law

http://www.yementimes.com/en/1710/n...nstration-demand-minimum-marriage-age-law.htm

People might say its not about religion, but a lot of the customs are practiced under Islamic law, even if its not part of the law of those countries. Aranged marriages with an 8 year old can take place in the U.S. and it has happened. Difference, you will go to jail in U.S. to protect the rights of citizens on U.S. soil. And no Imam can intervene.

 

[Blackking]

The difference is nothing. I have children... if they are raped in the US or Yeman, regardless of law regardless of outcome.... I will be equally upset. So the US places the guy in jail and gets off on probation faster than a drug dealer... I'm I supposed to be happy about that? Lets not focus on the real issues brehs.


Also many of the cases in the US do not go to trail. Most force marriages don't go to trail in the US. And even if they did.......... all that shyt I posted- happen, and will continue to happen, will probably increase in the US and not decrease.

 

[Blackking]

so 8 year old dies in Yemen... and their are religious laws there- is any better than 'guy goes to jail in the US for killing a 8 month old with sex, because of US laws?????

 

[theworldismine13]

The difference is nothing. I have children... if they are raped in the US or Yeman, regardless of law regardless of outcome.... I will be equally upset. So the US places the guy in jail and gets off on probation faster than a drug dealer... I'm I supposed to be happy about that? Lets not focus on the real issues brehs.


Also many of the cases in the US do not go to trail. Most force marriages don't go to trail in the US. And even if they did.......... all that shyt I posted- happen, and will continue to happen, will probably increase in the US and not decrease.

exactly you dont get it, this isnt just about morality, this is about the fundamental principle of individual rights

there are a lot of problems with american society but that is one thing they get right is that its a culture where the individual is supreme, islam and the cultures that support it are cultures where the individual is not as important

im sure everybody can agree that what happened to this girl is wrong but not everybody agrees that her individual rights were violated or that her individual rights are equal to the individual rights of a 40 year old man or that the violation of her individual rights is just as big of an issue as the morality of her death or that her individual rights superseded religion or tribal culture

 

[Blackking]

exactly you dont get it, this isnt just about morality, this is about the fundamental principle of individual rights

there are a lot of problems with american society but that is one thing they get right is that its a culture where the individual is supreme, islam and the cultures that support it are cultures where the individual is not as important

im sure everybody can agree that what happened to this girl is wrong but not everybody agrees that her individual rights were violated or that her individual rights are equal to the individual rights of a 40 year old man or that the violation of her individual rights is just as big of an issue of the morality of it or her death

same thing can and does happen here. so called rights are determined by the state. morality isn't. People can't control both of those things... and neither of those things prevent these incidence from happening.

The millions of cases world wide of related shyt that have nothing to do with Islam.... aren't OK just because there are laws that put people away for a few years and tell them they are bad. What about South Africa?? I guess Islam is the issue there. IT's not. Focusing on ur personal feelings and obsessive agendas is the reason y the REAL issues never get solved.

What about India, I guess Islam is the main issue there?

What about the babies who are killed by penises right here in the US - I guess we should send u to the parents home to talk about Islam, I bet that would make them feel great.

 

[theworldismine13]

same thing can and does happen here. so called rights are determined by the state. morality isn't. People can't control both of those things... and neither of those things prevent these incidence from happening.

The millions of cases world wide of related shyt that have nothing to do with Islam.... aren't OK just because there are laws that put people away for a few years and tell them they are bad. What about South Africa?? I guess Islam is the issue there. IT's not. Focusing on ur personal feelings and obsessive agendas is the reason y the REAL issues never get solved.

What about India, I guess Islam is the main issue there?

What about the babies who are killed by penises right here in the US - I guess we should send u to the parents home to talk about Islam, I bet that would make them feel great.

the point im making is that there is an issue here that goes beyond morality, and that issue is respect for individual rights

and yeah rights are determined by the state, that is why its important to separate church and state and that is why the philosophy of individual rights must be pushed

i didnt say it doesnt happen here, i said it does happen here

what about south africa? is it legal to marry an 8 year old girl in south africa? if not what's your point?
what about india? islam is big there isnt it? does india have a culture of respecting individual rights?

the people that kill babies with their penises or do other things to children go to jail because its against the law, in yemen it isnt against the law, im not sure why you cant see the difference

and like i said it isnt just a moral issue, its a legal issue, its an issue of individual rights, it isnt enough to say its wrong, its also important to establish the principle that the girl's individual rights supersede religious and tribal customs

 

[Blackking]

the point im making is that there is an issue here that goes beyond morality, and that issue is respect for individual rights

and yeah rights are determined by the state, that is why its important to separate church and state and that is why the philosophy of individual rights must be pushed

i didnt say it doesnt happen here, i said it does happen here

what about south africa? is it legal to marry an 8 year old girl in south africa? if not what's your point?
what about india? islam is big there isnt it? does india have a culture of respecting individual rights?

the people that kill babies with their penises or do other things to children go to jail because its against the law, in yemen it isnt against the law, im not sure why you cant see the difference

and like i said it isnt just a moral issue, its a legal issue, its an issue of individual rights, it isnt enough to say its wrong, its also important to establish the principle that the girl's individual rights supersede religious and tribal customs

over 80% of the population of india are hindu. but you say Islam is big there.... and that's my point. Youre see through enough that I really don't need to say this- but you could cause less about any of these topics. You're obsessed with Islam. You're obsessed with the middle east. You only speak about rights to promote western imperialism.

You equate a valid legal system and 'rights' with someone being put in jail for 5 years for raping someone or molesting a kid. I believe that kids and women deserve to not be raped in the first place.

Whats the point of a law if it does nothing for prevention?.. People with your agendas and stupid biased missions- are the reason why things like this are prevalent n the modern world and in more advanced nations.

In South American, Africa, Asia, ocieana... child marriage happens non stop and regardless of varying laws- .... Right here in the US there are forced marriages and underage rapes that are justified and not prosecuted.

Your talking individual rights, but your thread was about Islam. The responses to the thread were about islam... and 0 threads on babies getting raped right in our home states.

see through as fukk.

I guess you can only have a right if some Western nation says......... "ok u have this right, but not this right" "You have the right to kill babies late term, but not smoke a plant" "You have the right to vote for corp funded politicians, but not the right to carry a weapon in some areas" "black people have random rights... but only when the gov says so""

Are you crazy or trolling? If we lean on the government for rights we would never have any. What's right and wrong and what's considered 'rights' have nothing to do with what the gov of any nation says. IF thats the case- why are there madd women and men in Yemen protesting to get their laws changed so that in remote villages shyt like this doesn't happen? Society punishes people there before the gov does... and will do it even if the gov never puts the laws in place. I have the right to free speech and free thought whether or not a nation says so. Using ur logic it was wrong for Rosa parks to sit at the front of the bus. People are born with human rights, not given human rights at the discretion of world leaders. Also, we can see from America - the US is the best example of a nation that provides laws that don't protect or matter.

So we feed private prisons for a few years ---- what does that matter when a kid is molested for years and will be affected the rest of her life?


Group rights are rights held by a group qua group rather than by its members severally;[1] in contrast, individual rights are rights held by individual people; even if they are group-differentiated, what most rights are, they remain individual rights if the right-holders are the individuals themselves.[2] Group rights have historically been used both to infringe upon and to facilitate individual rights, and the concept remains controversial.
In Western discourse, individual rights are often associated with political and economic freedom, whereas group rights are associated with social control. This is because in the West the establishment of individual rights is associated with equality before the law and protection from the state.[citation needed] Examples of this are the Magna Carta, in which the English King accepted that his will could be bound by the law and certain rights of the King's subjects were explicitly protected.


By contrast, much of the recent political discourse on individual rights in the People's Republic of China, particularly with respect to due process rights and rule of law, has focused on how protection of individual rights actually makes social control by the government more effective. (u naive boy) For example, it has been argued that the people are less likely to violate the law if they believe that the legal system is likely to punish them if they actually violated the law and not punish them if they did not violate the law. By contrast, if the legal system is arbitrary then an individual has no incentive to actually follow the law.