Spike Lee calls out #blacklivesmatter - "we killing ourselves too!"

[Booker T Garvey]

so now that spike said it...will the national conversation change?

 

[Yehuda]

so now that spike said it...will the national conversation change?

Why would it change just because he said it?

I don't think he's that influential.

 

[PoPimp84]

Do people with lung cancer bytch and make #allcancermatters hash tags in October when breast cancer awareness is popping? No they are two different types of cancer and are addressed separately. So why can't people discern that black on black violence and police brutality are two separate issues. Instead of attacking an organization specifically created to address the issue police of brutality, why don't black live matter critics help bolster existing organizations or create their own movements that address black on black violence specifically.

 

[Yapdatfool]

Do people with lung cancer bytch and make #allcancermatters hash tags in October when breast cancer awareness is popping? No they are two different types of cancer and are addressed separately. So why can't people discern that black on black violence and police brutality are two separate issues. Instead of attacking an organization specifically created to address the issue police of brutality, why don't black live matter critics help bolster existing organizations or create their own movements that address black on black violence specifically.

Because they don't want to.

Because somewhere down the line, the people who don't make this distinction blame the black victims for the police brutalizing them, thinking IMO (but not saying) that if they weren't doing anything wrong, they wouldn't been put in the position to be brutalized, thus giving police brutality the validation it doesn't deserve.

The fact that people bring up black on black murder ANYTIME police brutality is a subject of conversation is really haphazardly stupid.

Black lives matter was supposed to bring more police transparency & accountability, but seems like all its doing is making people look at other aspect of AA's to belittle its cause, redirect the conversation back to stereotypes and racist notions of what blacks truly are like.

Historically I bet this has happened every time a minority group speaks on something...

 

[iFightSeagullsForBread]

I don't agree with him, but I see his point. Might be a generational thing, because I've heard older people and those in their 30's express similar sentiments.

I think if any thing he looks at BLM as a useful asset to the black community. If they can achieve what they have so far, in short of little time as they have, then their outreach could be extremely beneficial to the community at large.

Basically how BLM demanded that Bernie Sanders be more open in his dialogue in race, older and blacks not necessarily on board with BLM want them to be that way towards the violence plaguing the communities at large.

If anything, I'd take it as a underhanded compliment in a sense, like a teacher telling you that they see your potential, but you can do better.

 

[Booker T Garvey]

Because they don't want to.

Because somewhere down the line, the people who don't make this distinction blame the black victims for the police brutalizing them, thinking IMO (but not saying) that if they weren't doing anything wrong, they wouldn't been put in the position to be brutalized, thus giving police brutality the validation it doesn't deserve.

The fact that people bring up black on black murder ANYTIME police brutality is a subject of conversation is really haphazardly stupid.

Black lives matter was supposed to bring more police transparency & accountability, but seems like all its doing is making people look at other aspect of AA's to belittle its cause, redirect the conversation back to stereotypes and racist notions of what blacks truly are like.

Historically I bet this has happened every time a minority group speaks on something...

simply look at the number of black people that have died at the hands of police this year, and the number of black people that have died at the hands of other black people and do the numbers - we're in the age of information, check the numbers

that doesn't mean give me a speech about factors, economics, causalities etc etc..i'm simply saying in a conversation about dead bodies, do a tally.

now if you REALLY ARE for the preservation of your community, and GENUINELY CARE about your people, then to me, wanting to put an end to the #1 cause of black homicide is a natural response.

unless someone is trying to line their pockets or reap some type of benefit off the backs of dead black bodies...they tend to see things a little differently.

 

[PoPimp84]

Because they don't want to.

Because somewhere down the line, the people who don't make this distinction blame the black victims for the police brutalizing them, thinking IMO (but not saying) that if they weren't doing anything wrong, they wouldn't been put in the position to be brutalized, thus giving police brutality the validation it doesn't deserve.

The fact that people bring up black on black murder ANYTIME police brutality is a subject of conversation is really haphazardly stupid.

Black lives matter was supposed to bring more police transparency & accountability, but seems like all its doing is making people look at other aspect of AA's to belittle its cause, redirect the conversation back to stereotypes and racist notions of what blacks truly are like.

Historically I bet this has happened every time a minority group speaks on something...

I couldn't agree more

 

[Yapdatfool]

simply look at the number of black people that have died at the hands of police this year, and the number of black people that have died at the hands of other black people and do the numbers - we're in the age of information, check the numbers

that doesn't mean give me a speech about factors, economics, causalities etc etc..i'm simply saying in a conversation about dead bodies, do a tally.

now if you REALLY ARE for the preservation of your community, and GENUINELY CARE about your people, then to me, wanting to put an end to the #1 cause of black homicide is a natural response.

unless someone is trying to line their pockets or reap some type of benefit off the backs of dead black bodies...they tend to see things a little differently.

Spike's coming out with a movie called 'chiraq' right?

 

[DaddyTime]

Do people with lung cancer bytch and make #allcancermatters hash tags in October when breast cancer awareness is popping? No they are two different types of cancer and are addressed separately. So why can't people discern that black on black violence and police brutality are two separate issues. Instead of attacking an organization specifically created to address the issue police of brutality, why don't black live matter critics help bolster existing organizations or create their own movements that address black on black violence specifically.

Because they don't want to.

Because somewhere down the line, the people who don't make this distinction blame the black victims for the police brutalizing them, thinking IMO (but not saying) that if they weren't doing anything wrong, they wouldn't been put in the position to be brutalized, thus giving police brutality the validation it doesn't deserve.

The fact that people bring up black on black murder ANYTIME police brutality is a subject of conversation is really haphazardly stupid.

Black lives matter was supposed to bring more police transparency & accountability, but seems like all its doing is making people look at other aspect of AA's to belittle its cause, redirect the conversation back to stereotypes and racist notions of what blacks truly are like.

Historically I bet this has happened every time a minority group speaks on something...

@Yapdatfool with a great explanation

 

[Yapdatfool]

I don't agree with him, but I see his point. Might be a generational thing, because I've heard older people and those in their 30's express similar sentiments.

I think if any thing he looks at BLM as a useful asset to the black community. If they can achieve what they have so far, in short of little time as they have, then their outreach could be extremely beneficial to the community at large.

Basically how BLM demanded that Bernie Sanders be more open in his dialogue in race, older and blacks not necessarily on board with BLM want them to be that way towards the violence plaguing the communities at large.

If anything, I'd take it as a underhanded compliment in a sense, like a teacher telling you that they see your potential, but you can do better.

But BLM aint built for that, its built for other folks (namely cops) to treat blacks the same as they treat non-blacks IMO.

Murdering one another covers a LOT more subjects than that, LOT deeper issues that BLM can touch or handle at this point.

Besides, blacks killing other blacks should NEVER be justification to treat them any less than non-blacks. If folks feel it does, they can go to hell.

 

[Booker T Garvey]

Spike's coming out with a movie called 'chiraq' right?

bruh you really think this movie is about to do AVATAR numbers? it's not even getting a wide theatrical release, you have to watch it on amazon.com...

he stands to lose more money with this project than gain

 

[Ol’Otis]

We have a problem with gang violence... Random everyday black folks aren't going around killing each other.... And that still doesn't give police a right to blow our heads off

 

[MeachTheMonster]

simply look at the number of black people that have died at the hands of police this year, and the number of black people that have died at the hands of other black people and do the numbers - we're in the age of information, check the numbers

that doesn't mean give me a speech about factors, economics, causalities etc etc..i'm simply saying in a conversation about dead bodies, do a tally.

now if you REALLY ARE for the preservation of your community, and GENUINELY CARE about your people, then to me, wanting to put an end to the #1 cause of black homicide is a natural response.

unless someone is trying to line their pockets or reap some type of benefit off the backs of dead black bodies...they tend to see things a little differently.

You say you want to put and end to the number one cause of black homicides, but then say to having a real conversation about it.

That's why people with your line of thinking is flawed. You don't really want to address the problem. You just want to point fingers.

 

[Booker T Garvey]

You say you want to put and end to the number one cause of black homicides, but then say to having a real conversation about it.

That's why people with your line of thinking is flawed. You don't really want to address the problem. You just want to point fingers.

yeah and you want to monologue and give history lessons...every debate on or offline about the high number of black on black homicides (not crime) turns into an intellectual stroke fest...

how is intellectualizing about something that can't be changed (slavery, jim crowe) going to save peoples lives in 2015? <<<<no seriously, answer that question, don't come back with snark and jokes. i'd seriously like to know

a fireman puts the fire out first, then they go back inside and look at what caused it. we're doing the opposite, we're intellectualizing and fighting outside of a burning house looking like fools.

here is a very comprehensive interactive page about police killings in 2015 - if you're lazy, police have killed 993 people this year, 236 of them have been black....to put that in perspective, there have been 444 homicides in CHICAGO ALONE, 342 of them have been black on black. and we're not even talking about detroit, east st louis, memphis, new orleans etc etc...

here are those links
(police)
The Counted: people killed by police in the United States in 2015 – interactive

(chicago)
Illustrating Chicago Crime, Murder and Mayhem at heyjackass.com

 

[MeachTheMonster]

yeah and you want to monologue and give history lessons...every debate on or offline about the high number of black on black homicides (not crime) turns into an intellectual stroke fest...

how is intellectualizing about something that can't be changed (slavery, jim crowe) going to save peoples lives in 2015? <<<<no seriously, answer that question, don't come back with snark and jokes. i'd seriously like to know

a fireman puts the fire out first, then they go back inside and look at what caused it. we're doing the opposite, we're intellectualizing and fighting outside of a burning house looking like fools.

here is a very comprehensive interactive page about police killings in 2015 - if you're lazy, police have killed 993 people this year, 236 of them have been black....to put that in perspective, there have been 444 homicides in CHICAGO ALONE, 342 of them have been black on black. and we're not even talking about detroit, east st louis, memphis, new orleans etc etc...

here are those links
(police)
The Counted: people killed by police in the United States in 2015 – interactive

(chicago)
Illustrating Chicago Crime, Murder and Mayhem at heyjackass.com

It's not slavery or Jim Crow alone that continue to create the conditions.

As I said you aren't concerned with a real conversation about real solutions. Only pointing fingers at black faces.