Soto or Nowhere: The Official 2024 New York Yankees Off-Season Thread

[Mantis Toboggan M.D.]

Verdugo and Holmes are two free agents that by all accounts shouldn't be brought back. Therefore, their feelings shouldn't factor in as much as it does. He doesn't need to justify their existence. The wild shyt with Holmes is that the last couple of years, they've pulled him from the closer role to get his mind right and get his shyt together and eventually he got his job back. Had they pulled him from the role, maybe he goes back to the 7th or 8th and DOMINATES and then gets his spot back. Why they're not trying it now only boils down to one thing: they don't wanna cut off that option just in case Soto walks. They're always showing you what the plan is in case doomsday happens. They even pulled Gleyber for a couple of days just to get right and then he played a little better. Now he's trying to salvage what's left of his yankee career.

Closer's gonna be such a problem to fill since they traded the likeliest guy to take that spot (Medina). Clayton Beeter might have to be that guy.

Some idiot is gonna throw a $10+ million per year deal at Holmes this winter anyway so they’d be insane to even bother trying to bring him back. No point in worrying about burning that bridge. If they lose Soto, there’s no salvaging anything. They’ll have their two cornerstones approaching their mid 30’s with no pen, in need of 2-3 starters, and in need of 3-4 spots in the batting order with 1-2 years tops to contend if they manage to fix all those issues at once that have plagued the team for 4-5 years now. If they think retaining the worst closer in baseball at an inflated salary holds off a doomsday scenario, they’re so much more lost than any of us could ever comprehend.

 

[tremonthustler1]

So much bad luck

When Yankees do well: geniuses
when they suck: bad luck

when others do well: they just got lucky
when others struggle: what's their analytics department looking like?

 

[tremonthustler1]

Some idiot is gonna throw a $10+ million per year deal at Holmes this winter anyway so they’d be insane to even bother trying to bring him back. No point in worrying about burning that bridge. If they lose Soto, there’s no salvaging anything. They’ll have their two cornerstones approaching their mid 30’s with no pen, in need of 2-3 starters, and in need of 3-4 spots in the batting order with 1-2 years tops to contend if they manage to fix all those issues at once that have plagued the team for 4-5 years now. If they think retaining the worst closer in baseball at an inflated salary holds off a doomsday scenario, they’re so much more lost than any of us could ever comprehend.

If they lose Soto they shouldn't do anything. Any free agent that walks outside of Soto's spot can be filled internally. As it stands, barring a 07 Mets collapse, nobody in the front office is losing their jobs, so they're gonna keep doing what they're doing.

 

[The War Report]

It’s gonna be funny when Soto walks.

 

[Mantis Toboggan M.D.]

If they lose Soto they shouldn't do anything. Any free agent that walks outside of Soto's spot can be filled internally. As it stands, barring a 07 Mets collapse, nobody in the front office is losing their jobs, so they're gonna keep doing what they're doing.

Ironically this is what needs to happen. That 2011 Boston collapse got 2 time champion Terry Francona fired and 2 years later they had yet another parade

It’s gonna be funny when Soto walks.

“We tried but we didn’t like the number and felt we could spread it out better to help the roster”

*goes and spends 85% of the annual money on bad relievers, veterans, and some lousy free agent who will be a total bust*

 

[NYChase718]

Ironically this is what needs to happen. That 2011 Boston collapse got 2 time champion Terry Francona fired and 2 years later they had yet another parade


“We tried but we didn’t like the number and felt we could spread it out better to help the roster”

*goes and spends 85% of the annual money on bad receivers, veterans, and some lousy free agent who will be a total bust*

Soto out
Andrew heaney IN

 

[NYChase718]

Boone on fukkin drugs

They talk about robo umps but we got the first robo manager , everything he says is programmed and repeated

 

[Mantis Toboggan M.D.]

Look at these numbers. For example 2022 had $6 million on IKF, $25 million on Donaldson, $20 million on Rizzo, $18 million on DJ, whatever Holmes was making when they got him, $10 million on Gallo, $10 million on Hicks, $13 million on Britton, $17 million on Chapman, whatever Bader was making when they traded for him, and whatever Montas was making. That’s $119 million mostly down the toilet before the season started not including Holmes, Bader, and Montas.

 

[The War Report]

Hal is a bum who should sell the team. A Yankees owner has to be a psycho who’s willing to do anything to win, even sell out his own momma if need be.

 

[Mantis Toboggan M.D.]

Hal is a bum who should sell the team. A Yankees owner has to be a psycho who’s willing to do anything to win, even sell out his own momma if need be.

At the bare minimum you’ve gotta care and hold bad executives accountable to ensure mediocrity and being outright bad isn’t rewarded. Winning has to matter. My great uncle is old enough to have seen the tail end of Lou Gehrig’s career as a kid and failure to reach the World Series this year would mean their current drought would be the longest in his lifetime. They’ve had the same GM the whole time and this manager has been here half that time. No other team has kept their GM without replacing the role at least once in that span. That’s unacceptable.

 

[holidayinn21]

It’s gonna be funny when Soto walks.

Why would he stay?

He won a championship with the Nationals, beating the team that his current team constantly loses to in the playoffs

The Padres made every concerted effort to win a title when he was there

Meanwhile, these bozos batted JD Davis cleanup

If he's committed to winning, he should already have one foot out the door by now

 

[Mantis Toboggan M.D.]

Why would he stay?

He won a championship with the Nationals, beating the team that his current team constantly loses to in the playoffs

The Padres made every concerted effort to win a title when he was there

Meanwhile, these bozos batted JD Davis cleanup

If he's committed to winning, he should already have one foot out the door by now

This is the saddest development of all in the post Steinbrenner era. Hal has let Cashman run this team so deep into the ground that some of us say stuff like this, that some of us openly root for all time greats to leave the team in free agency in their prime so they have a chance to contend because we know this team doesn’t care enough to try. It’s the sort of conduct so disgraceful that the league office should’ve stepped in and forced a change years ago for the sake of preserving the integrity of their league. This team’s owner gave a 5 year contract to a guy whose deal expired after he had probably the worst 24 month run of any GM ever and then at his end of the year press conference with his contract expired declared that he took no responsibility for anything and that validating his process was more important than getting the results the team wanted. How can the league office justify that?

 

[Ron Mexico]

Everything about this organization just screams complacency and it starts with Hal.


Keeps the same wack ass GM for decades who builds a flawed roster every year with a top 3 payroll and it's

The same puppet manager whose main job seems to be making excuses for shytty players and it's

Closer blowing 11 saves which will cost you the division and it's

 

[ExodusNirvana]

At the bare minimum you’ve gotta care and hold bad executives accountable to ensure mediocrity and being outright bad isn’t rewarded. Winning has to matter. My great uncle is old enough to have seen the tail end of Lou Gehrig’s career as a kid and failure to reach the World Series this year would mean their current drought would be the longest in his lifetime. They’ve had the same GM the whole time and this manager has been here half that time. No other team has kept their GM without replacing the role at least once in that span. That’s unacceptable.

I just realized that I have little cousins that are entering college this Fall and Cashman has been the GM since their parents were entering college.

And they only seen one Yankees WS in their lifetime.

I don't give a fukk about no other sports organization, let alone the other teams in the MLB

Because for the Yankees, THIS IS UNACCEPTABLE.

It's been pass time to have a conversation.

If Soto is not on this team next season...man...

 

[tremonthustler1]

FIND. ROOM.