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Lol I'm going to join the airforce and see if they let me borrow a F22 so I can take a holiday around China
Sooo....no talk on Kiev's gradual descent into Mad Max beyond Thunderdome status??
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Lol I'm going to join the airforce and see if they let me borrow a F22 so I can take a holiday around China
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Also check out these excerpt's from major US and UK media outlets proving voter turnout and size of crowds.
New York Times-May 12th
According to early results cited by The Associated Press, 89 percent of voters in the Donetsk region and 96 percent in neighboring Luhansk voted for greater autonomy, but it remained uncertain whether the two provinces would follow Crimea Peninsula in seeking to be annexed by Russia.
Guardian UK- Sunday, May 11th- Only four polling stations opened on Sunday in Mariupol, which is home to 500,000 people. One was in the burned-out city administration building, seized by separatists and scene of fierce clashes in recent days. There were huge queues of people, almost all of whom said they were voting yes to separatism.
Guardian Live Stream coverage
http://www.theguardian.com/world/20...f-rule-in-eastern-regions-begins-live-updates
Guardian reporter Shaun Walker wrote:
Been to two schools on outskirts of Donetsk with @obk - lots of voters, big queues, all so far voting for the creation of Donetsk Republic
Guardian Live feed at 11:27 AM: Mike Giglio of BuzzFeed says Donetsk might run out of ballots. Very crowded Donetsk polling station says it has gone through half of its 5k ballots, might run out.
Shaun walker at 11:28 AM- There is huge anti-Kiev and smaller but growing separatist sentiment.
Associated Press at 11:56 AM- The Associated Press has a roundup of the vote so far. The results seems a foregone conclusion.
At one polling station in a school in Donetsk, turnout was brisk in the first hour of voting. All voting slips that could be seen in the clear ballot boxes showed that the option for autonomy had been selected.
Guardian Summary at 12:26 PM- Summary
• Long queues have formed outside polling stations in a hastily organised plebiscite on independence in eastern Ukraine. Most people appear to have voted in favour of self-rule event though what this means exactly is unclear.
•
Shaun Walker at 12:30 PM- Shaun Walker has just sent this update on a vote that is leaning heavily to a 'yes' vote for self-rule.
It’s a warm sunny day in Donetsk, and I’ve visited a few polling stations. Most have queues. Partly that is because not many polling stations are working, but partly it is because there is genuinely a lot of people wanting to vote. Almost everyone I have met is voting yes.
The results were not scientific but reflected the level of interest in the referendum.
Residents’ attitudes appear to have hardened considerably with the deaths of dozens of pro-Russian activists in the city of Odessa this month and with reports that troops fired at a crowd in Mariupol last week.
Voting in Donetsk appeared orderly at many polling stations. People lined up to record their names and then stepped into curtained booths to mark their ballots before dropping them into containers.
LA TIMES-(included photo). 16x9 Some residents of this eastern Ukrainian city voted for independence Sunday in expectation of soon having their region annexed by Russia.
Others cast "yes" votes as what they considered a first step toward demanding more regional autonomy while remaining part of Ukraine.
Still others, frustrated by rising prices and a withered national currency, voted in favor of the vaguely worded referendum out of conviction that they can depend on neither Kiev nor Moscow to resolve their political and security problems.
The single referendum question was simple in its wording but vague in its intent: Do you support the act of independence for the People's Republic of Donetsk?
Some, like medic Ninel Lvovich, said they voted "yes" out of despair.
We want to decide our own affairs. We don't want America or Europe coming here, and I don't think we can count on Russia's help.
- Ninel Lvovich, medic who voted 'yes' in referendum
"We want to decide our own affairs. We don't want America or Europe coming here, and I don't think we can count on Russia's help," Lvovich said, lamenting shortages of medicines and supplies at the government hospital where she works.
"I used to be in favor of a united and independent Ukraine but not since Turchynov came to power," Makarenko said after voting. "All the leaders of Ukraine in its 23 years of independence should be rounded up and put in prison.
Recent violence has turned many against the Kiev government that took power after a three-month rebellion ousted President Viktor Yanukovich, a Kremlin ally now taking refuge in Russia.
"After Odessa and Mariupol, everyone should run to vote for independence. All Donetsk people want out from the Kiev government. We're all afraid now," said a 70-year-old retired teacher in a heavy lavender wool dress despite the unseasonably warm day. Like many approached after casting their ballots, she refused to give her last name out of fear of government reprisal.
At a shopping center on the outskirts of Donetsk, only one of dozens of shoppers approached about the referendum said he had stayed away from the polling places because he considered the ballot "illegal."
Central election commission director Roman Lyagin said more than 69% of the Donetsk region's 3.5 million eligible voters had cast ballots by 4 p.m.
BBC-Will Vernon
BBC News, Mariupol
At the Primorsky polling station in Mariupol, a large crowd is gathered outside, waiting to vote. There is a crush of people inside.
Some polling stations, like this one in Mariupol, have seen long queues. BBC’s included photo. _74771975_1sakomal.jpg Thousands of Ukrainians went to vote at a polling station set up in Moscow - here people hold up their passports. BBC’s included photo._74774960_022216051-2.jpg
The Independent UK- At one polling station at a school in Donetsk, turnout was brisk in the first hour of voting. All voting slips that could be seen in the clear ballot boxes showed that self-rule had been selected.
Although the voting in the two regions with a combined population of 6.5 million appeared mostly peaceful, armed men identified as members of the Ukrainian national guard opened fire on a crowd outside the town hall in Krasnoarmeisk, and an official with the region's insurgents said people were killed. It was not clear how many.
Most present said they were voting in favour of autonomy and against the interim government headed by acting president Oleksandr Turchynov. One said she would not take part in a nationwide presidential election set for May 25.
"I don't agree with what is happening in the country. And I want some changes for the better. What is happening on May 25 is not honest, truthful or in our best interests. And that is why I am voting today," said Irina Zelyonova, 30, cradling her baby in her arms.
Enjoy DU....the wheels are coming off the MSM's bus.
New York Times-May 12th
According to early results cited by The Associated Press, 89 percent of voters in the Donetsk region and 96 percent in neighboring Luhansk voted for greater autonomy, but it remained uncertain whether the two provinces would follow Crimea Peninsula in seeking to be annexed by Russia.
Guardian UK- Sunday, May 11th- Only four polling stations opened on Sunday in Mariupol, which is home to 500,000 people. One was in the burned-out city administration building, seized by separatists and scene of fierce clashes in recent days. There were huge queues of people, almost all of whom said they were voting yes to separatism.
Guardian Live Stream coverage
http://www.theguardian.com/world/20...f-rule-in-eastern-regions-begins-live-updates
Guardian reporter Shaun Walker wrote:
Been to two schools on outskirts of Donetsk with @obk - lots of voters, big queues, all so far voting for the creation of Donetsk Republic
Guardian Live feed at 11:27 AM: Mike Giglio of BuzzFeed says Donetsk might run out of ballots. Very crowded Donetsk polling station says it has gone through half of its 5k ballots, might run out.
Shaun walker at 11:28 AM- There is huge anti-Kiev and smaller but growing separatist sentiment.
Associated Press at 11:56 AM- The Associated Press has a roundup of the vote so far. The results seems a foregone conclusion.
At one polling station in a school in Donetsk, turnout was brisk in the first hour of voting. All voting slips that could be seen in the clear ballot boxes showed that the option for autonomy had been selected.
Guardian Summary at 12:26 PM- Summary
• Long queues have formed outside polling stations in a hastily organised plebiscite on independence in eastern Ukraine. Most people appear to have voted in favour of self-rule event though what this means exactly is unclear.
•
Shaun Walker at 12:30 PM- Shaun Walker has just sent this update on a vote that is leaning heavily to a 'yes' vote for self-rule.
It’s a warm sunny day in Donetsk, and I’ve visited a few polling stations. Most have queues. Partly that is because not many polling stations are working, but partly it is because there is genuinely a lot of people wanting to vote. Almost everyone I have met is voting yes.
The results were not scientific but reflected the level of interest in the referendum.
Residents’ attitudes appear to have hardened considerably with the deaths of dozens of pro-Russian activists in the city of Odessa this month and with reports that troops fired at a crowd in Mariupol last week.
Voting in Donetsk appeared orderly at many polling stations. People lined up to record their names and then stepped into curtained booths to mark their ballots before dropping them into containers.
LA TIMES-(included photo). 16x9 Some residents of this eastern Ukrainian city voted for independence Sunday in expectation of soon having their region annexed by Russia.
Others cast "yes" votes as what they considered a first step toward demanding more regional autonomy while remaining part of Ukraine.
Still others, frustrated by rising prices and a withered national currency, voted in favor of the vaguely worded referendum out of conviction that they can depend on neither Kiev nor Moscow to resolve their political and security problems.
The single referendum question was simple in its wording but vague in its intent: Do you support the act of independence for the People's Republic of Donetsk?
Some, like medic Ninel Lvovich, said they voted "yes" out of despair.
We want to decide our own affairs. We don't want America or Europe coming here, and I don't think we can count on Russia's help.
- Ninel Lvovich, medic who voted 'yes' in referendum
"We want to decide our own affairs. We don't want America or Europe coming here, and I don't think we can count on Russia's help," Lvovich said, lamenting shortages of medicines and supplies at the government hospital where she works.
"I used to be in favor of a united and independent Ukraine but not since Turchynov came to power," Makarenko said after voting. "All the leaders of Ukraine in its 23 years of independence should be rounded up and put in prison.
Recent violence has turned many against the Kiev government that took power after a three-month rebellion ousted President Viktor Yanukovich, a Kremlin ally now taking refuge in Russia.
"After Odessa and Mariupol, everyone should run to vote for independence. All Donetsk people want out from the Kiev government. We're all afraid now," said a 70-year-old retired teacher in a heavy lavender wool dress despite the unseasonably warm day. Like many approached after casting their ballots, she refused to give her last name out of fear of government reprisal.
At a shopping center on the outskirts of Donetsk, only one of dozens of shoppers approached about the referendum said he had stayed away from the polling places because he considered the ballot "illegal."
Central election commission director Roman Lyagin said more than 69% of the Donetsk region's 3.5 million eligible voters had cast ballots by 4 p.m.
BBC-Will Vernon
BBC News, Mariupol
At the Primorsky polling station in Mariupol, a large crowd is gathered outside, waiting to vote. There is a crush of people inside.
Some polling stations, like this one in Mariupol, have seen long queues. BBC’s included photo. _74771975_1sakomal.jpg Thousands of Ukrainians went to vote at a polling station set up in Moscow - here people hold up their passports. BBC’s included photo._74774960_022216051-2.jpg
The Independent UK- At one polling station at a school in Donetsk, turnout was brisk in the first hour of voting. All voting slips that could be seen in the clear ballot boxes showed that self-rule had been selected.
Although the voting in the two regions with a combined population of 6.5 million appeared mostly peaceful, armed men identified as members of the Ukrainian national guard opened fire on a crowd outside the town hall in Krasnoarmeisk, and an official with the region's insurgents said people were killed. It was not clear how many.
Most present said they were voting in favour of autonomy and against the interim government headed by acting president Oleksandr Turchynov. One said she would not take part in a nationwide presidential election set for May 25.
"I don't agree with what is happening in the country. And I want some changes for the better. What is happening on May 25 is not honest, truthful or in our best interests. And that is why I am voting today," said Irina Zelyonova, 30, cradling her baby in her arms.
Enjoy DU....the wheels are coming off the MSM's bus.
theworldismine13
God Emperor of SOHH
why is this thread in free speech?
one of the GOAT coli threads 
GOAT thread
GOAT thread
Triipe
All Star
It comes down to securing Russia's future existence.
While putin may be stepping on lots of toes to get this done, no one can really be mystified by his motivations.
without securing that deep water port and that stretch of coast line Russia would keep becoming more geo politically weak
Why isn't Yemen as popular here on HL? They have a way bigger role in the fight over the maritime silk road and Saudi Arabia's actions there(very similar to Russia in Ukraine) go largely unmentioned.
While putin may be stepping on lots of toes to get this done, no one can really be mystified by his motivations.
without securing that deep water port and that stretch of coast line Russia would keep becoming more geo politically weak
Why isn't Yemen as popular here on HL? They have a way bigger role in the fight over the maritime silk road and Saudi Arabia's actions there(very similar to Russia in Ukraine) go largely unmentioned.