Something needs to be done about "Antebellum" homes

[get these nets]

I want all Slavery Tourism to cease -- in the states and abroad. If it has to go on -- I want them all to be museum -- with all revenue going back to the descendants of the enslaved.

Luckily, I haven't met anyone who is proud of their rapist DNA. I know why my mom's Mom maternal family is light-bright damn near white -- it's not out of love. My grandmothers father has the same story.

My mom left Alabama during the second wave of the Great Migration because my Grannie did not want her or my Aunts to work for white families because it was rampant violence and rape against the young and old Black women in their county.

Have you read At the Dark End of the Street: Black Women, Rape, and Resistance--A New History of the Civil Rights Movement from Rosa Parks to the Rise of Black Power? It's really good.

Thanks for the recommended reading and the trailer. It's touchy because it strikes at the core of manhood (protecting family).
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We've all met people who have bragged about white ancestors(indirectly). Colorism and hair-ism issues in the diaspora are based on this and the premium some place on the physical features that often point to that white ancestor.
I've met people who have done it directly. They've introduced themselves, emphasizing their important last names . And seemed genuinely puzzled that I didn't know or care about those names.(The Our Kind of People crowd and their Caribbean counterparts)
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Difference between slavery tourism in Western Hemisphere and on the continent is that the paperwork /records exist on this side of the Atlantic. African descended person on this side of the world can determine which colony his family was enslaved, under which flag, under which plantation, and maybe even which slaveship and which port their family member disembarked.

I also think that the issue of slave dungeons in W. Africa and how diasporans fit into that industry contradicts what I interpret ADOS to be.
I see ADOS as emphasizing that people enslaved HERE deserve full rights as citizens, whatever benefits earmarked for them HERE, and reparations from THIS govt. Outsiders do not qualify for the last two things, nor are they allowed to dictate what people HERE should or shouldn't be doing.
We , in the disapora, can guess going by logs, studying history, commercial patterns, etc and try to figure out from which slave port our ancestors departed...and under which ruler, but it would be more difficult to figure than which new world port those people disembarked.
Guestimates at best.
And how would we as outsiders to these modern day West African countries get to dictate what they should or should not be doing?

 

[HarlemHottie]

I want all Slavery Tourism to cease -- in the states and abroad. If it has to go on -- I want them all to be museum -- with all revenue going back to the descendants of the enslaved.

Luckily, I haven't met anyone who is proud of their rapist DNA. I know why my mom's Mom maternal family is light-bright damn near white -- it's not out of love. My grandmothers father has the same story.

My mom left Alabama during the second wave of the Great Migration because my Grannie did not want her or my Aunts to work for white families because it was rampant violence and rape against the young and old Black women in their county.

Have you read At the Dark End of the Street: Black Women, Rape, and Resistance--A New History of the Civil Rights Movement from Rosa Parks to the Rise of Black Power? It's really good.

Just purchased, thanks for the rec. This is the kind of black feminism I'm interested in. Now I gotta get my mind right to read it.

My grandmother came North for the same reason.

 

[Supper]

The story is even darker right outside of Houston city limits IMO where the Sienna Plantation subdivision is, which is of course named after an actual antebellum plantation which was the largest of it's kind in Texas.

It was the home of a large cotton and sugar mill plantation owned by Johnathon Waters, an emigrant from South Carolina, that had many slaves on it. In fact the plantation was so dependent on slave labor that after when slavery was abolished he went almost went bankrupt due to the severe shortage of labor and had to sublease convicts in a convict leasing program which was outlawed in 1913, virtually all of who were black men, from the Imperial Sugar company in nearby Sugar Land, TX but still ran into problems as the convicts did not work as his slaves before them did.

After 1865, for 2 years, there was a severe labor shortage because the slaves were freed. In 1867 the Imperial Sugar Factory leased all the available 'non violent' offenders from the Texas Prison System in Huntsville. This sugar factory sub leased prisoners to other sugar farms. The work of the convicts was not the same quality as the slaves. When the slaves built, is was most likely the slaves that would use it. Convicts, on the other hand, were just doing their time. The convict leasing program was outlawed by 1913.

Historical owners of the Arcola sugar mills plantation.

Recently mass graves of leased convicts who worked on the mills and railroads where discovered in Sugar Land TX.
Mass graves in Sugar Land unearth horrifying chapter the history books forgot [Editorial]
Blood and Sugar

The area was also home to many runaway slaves/maroons who plantation owners frequently shot at and killed.

Allen Vince also had a farm near here on which he raised corn principally, but owned a stock ranch on Vince's Bayou. He built the famous bridge which was destroyed by Deaf Smith and a companion the morning of the day on which the battle of San Jacinto was fought. Vince's place on Oyster Creek was near that of John R. Fenn, and at that time many runaway Negroes were in hiding in the canebrakes and timbered bottoms of the Brazos, and the settlers had but little scruples about killing them, looking upon them as a. menace to -their families at times in the absence from home of the men, which was frequent, hunting cattle or going after supplies.

One morning Vince came to the house of John Fenn and said:
"John, I snapped my gun at a Negro this morning." "Why did you not kill him?" was the answer. "That is what I would have done."
"Oh, I did as well as you would have done," said, Vince. "I snapped again and killed him." This was a, runaway Negro and Vince had come upon him asleep in the bottom, lying at the base of a large tree, and a gun leaning against it. He was awakened, but instead of surrendering sprang to his feet and ran away, carrying his gun with him. Vince attempted to fire, but his gun snapped. The Negro made no attempt to shoot, but kept on running, and Vince aimed and tried his rifle again, and this time successfully, the Negro falling dead in his tracks at the fire. Now this runaway belonged to Caples, and he brought suit against Vince for damages to the amount of $800, and gained it.

The Water's Plantation

Not to mention the subdivision of the same name in which was built on the plantation has a street name of a former Confederate General and one of the founding KKK members.

Scott explained that Nathan Bedford Forrest was the original grand wizard of the KKK. She told him about his leadership during the battle of Fort Pillow in Tennessee, where African-American soldiers were slaughtered.

Missouri City street named after first leader of the KKK

And to top it off "community history" section of the subdivision website makes no mention of the massive amounts of Afr'Am slaves or leased convicts who lived, worked, and died on the original plantation. Nor is there any memorial for them anywhere on the property.

1820s - 1860s

Originally part of Stephen F. Austin's "Old Three Hundred" colony settlement, the land that has become Sienna Plantation was first settled by Captain William Hall and Captain David Fitzgerald, who died shortly after making his claim and sold his property to J. B. Capels.

After the Texas Revolution and the final battle at San Jacinto, the area now known as Fort Bend County continued to prosper. The efforts of the early settlers attracted the attention of a newcomer to the Republic of Texas, Jonathan D. Waters, a planter from South Carolina who set about acquiring the claims of Hall and Capels.

By 1860, this land was known as the Waters Plantation and included more than 6,500 acres dedicated to cultivating sugar cane, cotton and other crops. The plantation even had its own shipping wharf on the Brazos River, where paddlewheel ships docked to deliver supplies and pick up sugar, corn, and cotton produced on the plantation. A brick mill, sawmill, two sugar mills and some 80 houses were located on the property, along with the impressive Waters mansion, which overlooked a pecan orchard along the Brazos River.

1860s - 1920s

Waters was known throughout Texas for the empire he built on thousands of acres of productive land. President and major stockholder of a railroad that served 12 plantations, he produced millions of pounds of sugar, hundreds of bales of cotton and thousands of bricks each year, shipping them by rail to Houston and Galveston. With the beginning of the War Between the States, however, Southern fortunes declined. Sugar prices crashed just after the war. Waters, in failing health, witnessed the demise of his empire(because of the loss of his slave labor). Upon his death in 1872, his widow sold the plantation to Thomas A. Pierce for $50,000 to pay off debts.

Community History | Sienna Plantation in Missouri City

Edit: Since this post was made the history of the slaves and leased convicts on the plantation has been edited into the community history page. ................hmmm Somehow what I was saying here made it back to them perhaps?

 

[Citi Trends]

informed some people in my town and started calling around and doing some inquiry to these plantations

its a small town and these people know my name when i call now. Black and white.
all im gonna say is im glad my family doesnt live there anymore

my family already has lawsuits won based on racism from the city and its county sherrifs department and were always shyt starters in general, so they know what time it is.

 

[Citi Trends]

This experience has let me know we really have to reach out to random people in these town.

When I tell you they are generally DOWN for an ADOS message Im not lying to you. They have been waiting for a cause like this.

 

[Donald J Trump]

This experience has let me know we really have to reach out to random people in these town.

When I tell you they are generally DOWN for an ADOS message Im not lying to you. They have been waiting for a cause like this.

hit my grandparents with the ados message

they was so happy

and yet so dissatisfied their their children’s generation because they dropped the ball

 

[daemonova]

Smith Plantation Roswell, GA
https://www.roswellgov.com/discover-us/southern-trilogy-historic-house-museums/smith-plantation

 

[get these nets]

John W. Boddie House in MS

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[xoxodede]

John W. Boddie House in MS

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Crazy.

I know Tuskegee's President Home is a old plantation.

Tuskegee: How one Alabama town helped shape history

SAH ARCHIPEDIA

 

[EndDomination]

It’s cringeworthy when I see these neighborhoods calling themselves plantations. I could never own a home in a neighborhood with the word in their title; for example, ‘Duncan’s Plantation’

Check out the full name of Rhode Island: "State of Rhode Island and Providence Plantations."

 

[LeetStickMcGee]

Buy them out and break them down

 

[BigMan]

When I went to Rhode Island for the first time I saw the full state name on a elevator and couldn’t believe it

Check out the full name of Rhode Island: "State of Rhode Island and Providence Plantations."