Someone please explain this to me

[zerozero]

I have been on OFFICIAL State Department as security, in the presence of the people who are actually diplomats.

okay I didn't want to elaborate but at this edit. this world of "actually diplomats" people you provided security to on some missions are my family friends.

 

[Type Username Here]

Since this lawful piece of art has been made: American embassies have been bombed/stormed. American citizens have been killed. An American ambassador has been killed. The attackers justifiy their actions by way of this lawful vid. What is the government supposed to do that doesnt include war in several nations?

I felt their diplomatic statement, coupled with their recent actions involving Google and Federal Parole agents, sent the message that we do not value 1st Amendment rights of freedom of speech, and that we are empowering people who should not be empowered.

It's a culture clash, and we shouldn't back down because our values are being followed.

Not even in the sake of diplomacy.

 

[Type Username Here]

okay I didn't want to elaborate but at this edit. this world of "actually diplomats" people you provided security to on some missions are my family friends.

That's good. Do you go on official diplomatic missions with them? Have you ever been in charge of relations with locals and maintaining agreements?

Now, I don't care if you haven't. You were the one attacking me on my view of the world, diplomatic knowledge, or foreign policy understandings.

 

[zerozero]

That's good. Do you go on official diplomatic missions with them? Have you ever been in charge of relations with locals and maintaining agreements?

Now, I don't care if you haven't. You were the one attacking me on my view of the world, diplomatic knowledge, or foreign policy understandings.

No I haven't done anything official like that. But you continue to prove to me you have the international affairs understanding of an ingenue.

what's your objective in Pakistan? We have an unstable country that split off from India to protect a muslim minority, got hijacked by islamic fundamentalism , and helps the taliban and various terrorists etc. It also has a separatist insurgency -- several, actually. And nukes. You want to continue to use this country's sovereign territory to go in and out of a warzone while most of its population hates that you're in that warzone. In fact Pakistanis are being killed by drone strikes, rotting in Guantanemo and all that good stuff as of right now. A bunch of protests are breaking out in pakistan with people dying because they're angry at the US for this movie and are generally just not happy with uncle sam. Meanwhile they have a judiciary in crises and a parliament that has to vote to keep the US supply lines open, a swerve between military dictatorships and corrupt democratically elected leaders with the odd assassination and execution

in the midst of all this you want Hillary to say , what? "we stand by his rights to make the movie"? That's going to achieve your goals in Pakistan ? His rights to make the movie are de facto / de jure protected already.

this us vs them, back down, give an inch, culture clash stuff is only going to distort any thinking about achieving objectives. I'm surprised you've latched onto that kinda chatter or lingo

 

[88m3]

I guess we could pull all foreign nationals from said Muslim countries and turn them into Green Glass?

 

[daze23]

It's a culture clash, and we shouldn't back down because our values are being followed.

Not even in the sake of diplomacy.

what specifically do you think we (the USA) should do? citizens of these nations attacked the 'sovereign soil' of our embassies. should we see that as an 'act of war'?

 

[88m3]

what specifically do you think we (the USA) should do? citizens of these nations attacked the 'sovereign soil' of our embassies. should we see that as an 'act of war'?

That's not a bad idea daze. See my post above.

 

[daze23]

That's not a bad idea daze. See my post above.

ah yes, The Final Solution

you'll learn to love us when you're dead

 

[88m3]

ah yes, The Final Solution

France's closing of their Embassies in Muslim countries in the Middle East could be the beginning of such an undergoing.

Most of England's have been closed since the Arab Spring.


America's Embassies have been shuttered for sometime now as well and only have essential staff that could
easily be spirited away to Aircraft Carriers or friendly countries.

 

[ExodusNirvana]

They're telling them *hurt that demon, not the american people. We have love for you and we dont want any beef with you friends*

 

[OsO]

with all respect due. part of this is blowback from the violence america has committed against other countries.

for every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction.

 

[daze23]

with all respect due. part of this is blowback from the violence america has committed against other countries.

for every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction.

an eye for an eye makes the whole world blind

 

[88m3]

an eye for an eye makes the whole world blind

Some people just want to watch the world burn

 

[Type Username Here]

with all respect due. part of this is blowback from the violence america has committed against other countries.

for every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction.

Where is the blowback to the Russians and the Chinese? The Russians have had a long history involved in committing violence in other countries. The Chinese continually crack down violently on Muslims.

What about the blowback from Muslim African countries invading Christian tribes and areas and massacring the children and infants?

Or, or...or where was the blowback when we trained and funded the Mujaheddin against the Soviets? Or was the blowback when dropped bombs in the Balkans to save Muslims and put an end to genocide there?

I think America has overstepped it's bounds in a lot of ways, especially in terms of foreign policy, but to make it seem like this is the sole reason is dishonest. A heavy component to this behavior is illogical religious behavior.

 

[OsO]

I think America has overstepped it's bounds in a lot of ways, especially in terms of foreign policy, but to make it seem like this is the sole reason is dishonest. A heavy component to this behavior is illogical religious behavior.

with all respect due. part of this is blowback from the violence america has committed against other countries.

for every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction.