Sohh what’s the main differences between Bernie And Warren?

[GnauzBookOfRhymes]

One is intelligent, has a warm/engaging personality and is a viable President. The other is Bernie.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Warren has a more pro war history and has stated that she will take corporate money if she makes it to the general election. They both have detailed plans for the problems facing the country, but Sanders plans are more all encompassing. For instance Warren's student debt forgiveness plan is limited to certain people getting a certain amount forgiven while Sanders plan will forgive 100% of everyone's student debt.

Bernie is literally not a pacifist.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Change vs. Reform

I won't lose sleep if either become the nominee. It would be a great paradigm shift if that's the final two.

With Warren, you know what changes.

With Bernie, because he disdains actual details or perspective in LAW MAKING, you never know what he plans to truly change.

Theres laws and shyt to negotiate. That matters.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

So you think Bernie beats Trump? And you’d vote for him if he’s the nominee?

I think Trump will beat Bernie and if he's the nominee, i'll make it the most dramatic reluctant vote i've ever cast.

I've had significant disdain for him since late 2015.

Nothing Bernie says bothers me. Nearly everything Bernie DOES irks the shyt out of me.

 

[chico25]

I'm gonna stick with domestic policy here because they seem to have a different outlook on foreign policy and military spending but the ultra detailed stuff from them is mostly domestic.

Their plans and policies are pretty damned similar but the biggest difference principally speaking is probably Means Testing (aka conditions or requisites to receive services).
. Bernie's latest set of policies seem to remove most Means Testing altogether. Student Loan forgiveness for EVERYONE.
. Warren's plans tend to lay out similar plans but with some Means Testing. Student Loan forgiveness up to 50,000 dollars for households making $100,000 or less and than the proportions change depending on how much money above $100 K.

There are pro's and cons to both approaches.

- Eliminate Means Testing and:
. You don't lose people with needs at the margins, but you do include people who don't actually need the help.
. You simplify the application process, everyone qualifies. This should speed that part up and reduce administrative costs for the programs theoretically.
. The benefits are broadly shared which in theory ought to make it harder to attack the programs once in place (ie: Republicans can't outright repeal the ACA bc aspects of it are too broadly supported even by Republican voters). This version could be attacked by saying the program is wasting resources on people who don't need it.

- Include Means Testing and
. You may lose people at the margins, but those who don't actually need help won't receive the benefits of the program.
. The application process becomes more complicated but you reduce costs by creating a smaller pool of people that receive these benefits.
. The benefits are limited to those in need. This combats any perception of money or benefits being wasted on those without the needs. But you can attack this program at the margins by saying too many people are receiving the benefits and shrinking the program. That means less people with a vested interest in the program, less people helped by it and an easier program to shut down or divert money from.

He said what I meant but better.

Bernie is literally not a pacifist.

Bernie has a history of voting against raising the military budget and voting against the Iraq war. While he may consider war as an option for certain circumstances he is not beholden to the interests of the military industrial complex. He is more likely to look for diplomatic solutions to problems rather than attacking as a first option.

Warren on the other hand has shown some tendency towards being in favor of military action.

With Warren, you know what changes.

With Bernie, because he disdains actual details or perspective in LAW MAKING, you never know what he plans to truly change.

Theres laws and shyt to negotiate. That matters.

Bernie Sanders has released detailed plans and legislation on the most important issues facing the country and the changes he wants to make. If he is allowed to he will make big change that will remake the country in drastic ways.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

He said what I meant but better.



Bernie has a history of voting against raising the military budget and voting against the Iraq war. While he may consider war as an option for certain circumstances he is not beholden to the interests of the military industrial complex. He is more likely to look for diplomatic solutions to problems rather than attacking as a first option.

Warren on the other hand has shown some tendency towards being in favor of military action.



Bernie Sanders has released detailed plans and legislation on the most important issues facing the country and the changes he wants to make. If he is allowed to he will make big change that will remake the country in drastic ways.

bruh this ain't portugal.

The USA is a world leader who has other nations depending on it for defense. In fact, all these nations sacrificed defense in order to recover economically. That shyt ain't gonna change over night.

Get over it.

 

[storyteller]

I think Trump will beat Bernie and if he's the nominee, i'll make it the most dramatic reluctant vote i've ever cast.

I've had significant disdain for him since late 2015.

Nothing Bernie says bothers me. Nearly everything Bernie DOES irks the shyt out of me.

At least you acknowledge your biases

 

[FAH1223]

I think Trump will beat Bernie and if he's the nominee, i'll make it the most dramatic reluctant vote i've ever cast.

I've had significant disdain for him since late 2015.

Nothing Bernie says bothers me. Nearly everything Bernie DOES irks the shyt out of me.

If Bernie wins the nomination, you're going to flood the forum with TrumpSet shyt

I know you love the fukkery of Trump

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

If Bernie wins the nomination, you're going to flood the forum with TrumpSet shyt

I know you love the fukkery of Trump

None of this is true.

I'll just be really sad if Bernie wins because i know how it will end up. He wont be successful, he will be a 1 term president, and he will be completely ill equipped to enact anything meaningful.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

At least you acknowledge your biases

i've never hid it.

Bernie is NOT a good leader of executive power.

Bernie is good at pointing out problems and motivating people to identify and confront those issues.

 

[FAH1223]

i've never hid it.

Bernie is NOT a good leader of executive power.

Bernie is good at pointing out problems and motivating people to identify and confront those issues.

If Bernie wins and let's give him a 51-49 Senate majority for sake of argument and Dems keep the House (they may even expand the majority there)...

Do you think Bernie will be able to keep people motivated better than Obama was able to? Serious question. Bernie was on Pod Save a couple weeks ago and it was one thing he's discussed with Obama at his DC office and Jon Favreau was lamenting they didn't keep the movement well plugged in.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

If Bernie wins and let's give him a 51-49 Senate majority for sake of argument and Dems keep the House (they may even expand the majority there)...

Do you think Bernie will be able to keep people motivated better than Obama was able to? Serious question. Bernie was on Pod Save a couple weeks ago and it was one thing he's discussed with Obama at his DC office and Jon Favreau was lamenting they didn't keep the movement well plugged in.

I really don't

See, this is the United States. Its a gigantic operation. In fact, the testament to this is the fact that Trump hasn't been able to really act on his worst impulses. A lot of the government is on auto-pilot.

Bernie is going to piss off a lot of people because Warren knows how to put the medicine in the candy. Bernie is all medicine. All the time. In fact, his lack of nuance or having to suppress his natural urge to even be personable to anyone outside of hard edged white leftists has rubbed a lot of people the wrong way.

I'm saying this because I want a successful left. But it has to be smart about this.

Our constituents are different from republicans, which is basically a monolithic demographic for the most part. We have to bob and weave to thread needles of policy proposals.

I've liked what i've heard Sam Seder suggest by saying that Bernies movement being used after the election to sway voters and thats useful compared to what Obama for America failed to do.

 

[Dat Migo]

Warren can serve 2 terms, Bernie only one cause he
Warren will get rid of the filibuster but Bernie won't as of now. His stans think there will be a revolution with billionaires being merked in the streets but their guy is scared to change senate procedural rules.
Warren consistently highlights how her plans will help minorities while Bernie keeps reaching out to these blue collar cacs.

Oh yeah 2016

 

[FAH1223]

I really don't

See, this is the United States. Its a gigantic operation. In fact, the testament to this is the fact that Trump hasn't been able to really act on his worst impulses. A lot of the government is on auto-pilot.

Bernie is going to piss off a lot of people because Warren knows how to put the medicine in the candy. Bernie is all medicine. All the time. In fact, his lack of nuance or having to suppress his natural urge to even be personable to anyone outside of hard edged white leftists has rubbed a lot of people the wrong way.

I'm saying this because I want a successful left. But it has to be smart about this.

Our constituents are different from republicans, which is basically a monolithic demographic for the most part. We have to bob and weave to thread needles of policy proposals.

I've liked what i've heard Sam Seder suggest by saying that Bernies movement being used after the election to sway voters and thats useful compared to what Obama for America failed to do.

This reminds me of this discussion I watched earlier



One thing I will push back on is that I think Bernie does know how to navigate executive power. He isn't a dumb guy and he's not like Trump coming in with no experience. He's been in Congress over 25 years. And he has small scale executive experience from the 1980s.

Now, Warren is the best in the field at that, I will agree with you 100% on that.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

This reminds me of this discussion I watched earlier



One thing I will push back on is that I think Bernie does know how to navigate executive power. He isn't a dumb guy and he's not like Trump coming in with no experience. He's been in Congress over 25 years. And he has small scale executive experience from the 1980s.

Now, Warren is the best in the field at that, I will agree with you 100% on that.

I have never seen a single moment of that sort of resolute executive presence and behavior i associate with being a president from Bernie. And I've been watching Bernie's career for 10 years.

Warren gives me the confidence and tact and sensitivity to represent the United States.

At a certain point we're talking about intangibles and Warren fulfills that for me.