Software Development and Programming Careers (Official Discussion Thread)

[Duke Wy Lin]

In the revamp I will make sure to address issues with UI/UX.

@EzekelRAGE Why not just leverage a tried & tested UI/UX design system like MUI instead of trying to design something from scratch?

edit: I see that you already used MUI and are switching to Tailwind. In my mind, Tailwind is closer to custom CSS than MUI which is very opinionated and follows a mobile first design principle, so MUI would be the better choice for what you're trying to do?

 

[Duke Wy Lin]

I was going through that course but it seemed kind of long and I'm trying to get a job placement immediately.

Where are you currently at in your journey? Do you have a portfolio?

 

[Neo. The Only. The One.]

Where are you currently at in your journey? Do you have a portfolio?

Yep I have some projects on it and working on more.

Since you brought it up, I do have a question. What types of projects did you brehs have on your portfolio that really caught the eye of hiring managers, etc?

 

[MyApps]

Is that bad?

 

[EzekelRAGE]

@EzekelRAGE Why not just leverage a tried & tested UI/UX design system like MUI instead of trying to design something from scratch?

edit: I see that you already used MUI and are switching to Tailwind. In my mind, Tailwind is closer to custom CSS than MUI which is very opinionated and follows a mobile first design principle, so MUI would be the better choice for what you're trying to do?

You may be right about MUI in the long run, but currently for me Tailwind is simpler in regards to getting stuff on the screen. I dont really have to worry about importing the boxes, typograhies, etc. just writing the class names. Keeping it a buck, it may just be the mood I'm in .
Next project I may be messing with MUI heavy again.

Sidenote: Damn.....React Query nice as hell brehs.
gives you stuff like isLoading out of the box. Then auto refetches the data when you do crud.

 

[Software]

Has anybody here gotten any Azure certs?
How has it helped your career so far?

 

[Obreh Winfrey]

Harvard has a free introductory course on DS & A which is very popular:

CS50: Introduction to Computer Science | Harvard University

An introduction to the intellectual enterprises of computer science and the art of programming.

pll.harvard.edu

@Neo The Resurrected ONE

That's the one I was thinking of.

Has anybody here gotten any Azure certs?
How has it helped your career so far?

AZ-900, made zero difference. Was going to go for 201, or whatever administrator was, but never actually took the exam.

 

[EzekelRAGE]

To sort of remedy that:
-- Total revamp of the look. Gonna make this a real site so it can be used. Starting with a sort of product page that explains what it is and why you should use it. In the revamp I will make sure to address issues with UI/UX.
-- Gonna host the site on something like AWS or something that is quick and doesnt need to "wake up"
-- As far as thinking bigger I'm doing 4 things:
----Broker is still there, but I'm expanding the companies to include a bunch more. You can now add entries for things such as Parking, Repair/Service, Hotels, Truck Stops etc.
----Loads, you can now add info for loads you have. You get a load, you can make an entry noting things that are most import to truckers. Things like BOL, trailer number, origin, destination, etc.
---- The third thing is probably the biggest feature. Implementing a google maps for users where they can make their own personal pins for various locations. Users will be shown a blank google maps and they should be able to just click and enter the info for that location. Ideally I would be able to get their location from the info the user already has in the database on the companies they entered and populate the maps with that.
---- The fourth thing that is sort of a longterm goal/plan is making it a mobile application using React Native.

Basically done with the Broker/Company/Load CRUD stuff, the only real thing left to do on those fronts is to make it look prettier. Probably gonna add some text explaining what this page is and what info you get there. Need to figure out how to handle the forms for mobile responsiveness. They long as hell for loads lol. To give an idea for for how many inputs the loads page has, these are the inputs:

bol: "",
name: "",
payment: "",
notes: "",
completed: false,
originName: "",
originAddress: "",
originTrailer: "",
originPUStart: "",
originPUEnd: "",
originMiles: "",
originType: "",
destinationName: "",
destinationAddress: "",
destinationTrailer: "",
destinationPUStart: "",
destinationPUEnd: "",
destinationMiles: "",
destinationType: "",

I got most of them set as input text fields for now to test that it works, but that will change. I can makes things like completed a checkbox, and type a dropdown. The PUStart/End will be date/time pickers. Address will end up being an autocomplete thing if I can get it to working right. Probably gonna implement a button that hides the form til you get ready to add a new broker/loads/company, may make it a modal like I have for editing a card.

Auth - Sorta doing my own auth with JWT........kinda not liking it, so may switch to something like oAuth or clerk. My current setup sorta works. I havent protected the routes on the frontend yet, but have a couple on the backend to test it out and you can't get the api data w/o the token being good. I need to look into how to setup the refresh tokens though.

Tackling the Map feature next, all that other stuff can go to the backburner for the time being.
This how the broker page looks. The Load/Company pages look the same as well, except their forms are way bigger .

Spoiler

 

[Pete Wrigley]

Is that bad?

Yes, that is a low, very low budget for what you're trying to accomplish.

Depending on the size of your team, it would take maybe a year or two for a full fledged team to make a Lyft type/competitor app. Your budget would only pay for...maybe one month's salary for one or two developers.

You'll need to cover the cost of your dev team, plus any additional cost that may come with development (hosting services, data services, etc.). Again, this is just for the team, not including the cost to actually start a business or run a business, depending on where you're at there...I'm sorry to say, your $8,000 ain't cutting it

 

[EzekelRAGE]

Yes, that is a low, very low budget for what you're trying to accomplish.

Depending on the size of your team, it would take maybe a year or two for a full fledged team to make a Lyft type/competitor app. Your budget would only pay for...maybe one month's salary for one to two developers.

You'll need to cover the cost of your dev team, plus any additional cost that may come with development (hosting services, data services, etc.). Again, this is just for the team, not including the cost to actually start a business or run a business, depending on where you're at there...I'm sorry to say, your $8,000 ain't cutting it

I was considering looking in to it and some dev ppl I mess with basically said the same thing. They said at best it would be like a barebones MVP type thing, for that price. That's me/them assuming the 8k was just to make an app operational, hosting and all that wouldnt be coming outta the 8k.

 

[MyApps]

Yes, that is a low, very low budget for what you're trying to accomplish.

Depending on the size of your team, it would take maybe a year or two for a full fledged team to make a Lyft type/competitor app. Your budget would only pay for...maybe one month's salary for one or two developers.

You'll need to cover the cost of your dev team, plus any additional cost that may come with development (hosting services, data services, etc.). Again, this is just for the team, not including the cost to actually start a business or run a business, depending on where you're at there...I'm sorry to say, your $8,000 ain't cutting it

Thanks for the explanation.

Again, I'm green at this. I have an app idea and jumping into the gig/app economy is something that I'm working towards.

How much would you say was needed for the project? Also, this is NOT a competitor to Lyft/Uber.

 

[Pete Wrigley]

Thanks for the explanation.

Again, I'm green at this. I have an app idea and jumping into the gig/app economy is something that I'm working towards.

How much would you say was needed for the project? Also, this is NOT a competitor to Lyft/Uber.

Sure thing breh and I wouldn't have a good estimation only because it depends on the scope of the project.

I've never been on the side of procuring funds for apps but I've been on the dev side. I'd recommend really thinking about the market for your app and focus on the business side first...for example, what problem are you trying to solve? Who is your target audience? Is there a competitor? If so, why would users use your app instead? I'm sure there is more to think about here.

From there, I would encourage you to find ways to attract/pitch to potential investors so you can hire the developers you need.

Again, I've never been on that side so easier said than done, I'm sure.

 

[MyApps]

Sure thing breh and I wouldn't have a good estimation only because it depends on the scope of the project.

I've never been on the side of procuring funds for apps but I've been on the dev side. I'd recommend really thinking about the market for your app and focus on the business side first...for example, what problem are you trying to solve? Who is your target audience? Is there a competitor? If so, why would users use your app instead? I'm sure there is more to think about here.

From there, I would encourage you to find ways to attract/pitch to potential investors so you can hire the developers you need.

Again, I've never been on that side so easier said than done, I'm sure.

The business stuff, including target audience, competitors, etc. I got that down already. Hell, I'll pay a developer to create the app and keep that developer on a retainer. I just need to know how much.

As a startup company, I and my business partner would wear many hats until we make enough money to build the staff.

 

[The Fade]

fukk I might have to switch to another language since it seems DS and Algorithms is typical for python and requires math I’m trash at.

Leaning towards Javascript or Java

 

[EzekelRAGE]

The business stuff, including target audience, competitors, etc. I got that down already. Hell, I'll pay a developer to create the app and keep that developer on a retainer. I just need to know how much.

As a startup company, I and my business partner would wear many hats until we make enough money to build the staff.

Circles back to what Pete and I were saying. Depends on the scope of the project.
Let's use Lyft as an example. They use one app for drivers and one app for customers. That's 2 apps being made right there with different functionality.
Something like UberEats, you would need 3 apps. Customer, driver, and then one for restaurants.

fukk I might have to switch to another language since it seems DS and Algorithms is typical for python and requires math I’m trash at.

Leaning towards Javascript or Java

DSA/math requirments for python shouldnt be too bad unless you plan on doing a data science/analyst type thing. What are you planning on doing?