Social justice warriors, why don't you talk about the flipside of gentrification?

[NvrCMyNut]

Off top, 115th & 2nd stand up
I got more of a right to complain about a neighborhood changing than most of you, my mom owning property here probably gives me a different perspective than most, currently renting two apartments to people of color but if Becky and Bradley wanna come through and drop $200 more a month who are we to say no? Welcome to Harlem

Now...no one ever talks about the other side, where section 8 is being put up in suburbs, suburbs that people like my aunt moved into from the hood, working most her life to be able to afford to live in. Once section 8 get's put up it's only a matter of time it seems, slowly the neighborhood begins to resemble the barrio she left before you know it it's ''bloods'' on the corners neighbors moving out and property losing value like Cam lost his swag. She is by no means alone in this situation.

Do you have an opinion on this particular phenomenon or don't you have an original thought in your body?

 

[How Sway?]

Owing and running a building in the hood ain't no joke. I cant even blame these landlords for accepting Chad & Becky's money at all...

 

[BlvdBrawler]

Owing and running a building in the hood ain't no joke. I cant even blame these landlords for accepting Chad & Becky's money at all...

I, don't get it. Why would a landlord turn down someone because of their race?

 

[2Quik4UHoes]

Off top, 115th & 2nd stand up
I got more of a right to complain about a neighborhood changing than most of you, my mom owning property here probably gives me a different perspective than most, currently renting two apartments to people of color but if Becky and Bradley wanna come through and drop $200 more a month who are we to say no? Welcome to Harlem

Now...no one ever talks about the other side, where section 8 is being put up in suburbs, suburbs that people like my aunt moved into from the hood, working most her life to be able to afford to live in. Once section 8 get's put up it's only a matter of time it seems, slowly the neighborhood begins to resemble the barrio she left before you know it it's ''bloods'' on the corners neighbors moving out and property losing value like Cam lost his swag. She is by no means alone in this situation.

Do you have an opinion on this particular phenomenon or don't you have an original thought in your body?

That's elementary tho, one of the biggest issues about gentrification is something you're alluding to right here. While advocates will say it diversifies the economic demographic and brings in more tax dollars, the shunting of people from the city to the suburbs does nothing to address the issues the community. More white people in the neighborhood isn't gonna change the circumstances for nikkaz, it's an invasive behavior and is insult to injury following the crack era. It's not the city that made nikkaz hood, its the lack of opportunity and the bad habits developed over the past few generations. Gentrification doesn't solve that problem for the people you're talking about, it just kicks them out of the places that for some, is all they've ever known, and puts them in a new area they hardly know. That has no bearing on behavior changes, especially when those changes are hardly encouraged in our society to begin with.

Can't deny your point tho, its a real issue.

 

[NvrCMyNut]

I, don't get it. Why would a landlord turn down someone because of their race?

Use the search button & check out coli threads on gentrification, or check tumblr, a breeding ground for self proclaimed social justice warriors, that's what most of them think should happen. They want to dictate, (A) how much property owners should charge for renting out their own property, and (B) to who they rent it out to

 

[How Sway?]

I, don't get it. Why would a landlord turn down someone because of their race?

yeah I dont get it either. Some people actually think that a landlord is obligated to rent to only 'this person" or 'that type of person' but they dont realize this is a numbers game based on economics.

If I own a tenement or a big Multi-unit home that has easy access to the downtown area via public transportation, and Bradley the 24 yr old college graduate is willing to pay after I increase my rent, then there is no reason not to rent to him.

^this is just a basic scenario BTW.

 

[2Quik4UHoes]

Use the search button & check out coli threads on gentrification, or check tumblr, a breeding ground for self proclaimed social justice warriors, that's what most of them think should happen. They want to dictate, (A) how much property owners should charge for renting out their own property, and (B) to who they rent it out to

That comes with anything that has a noble cause, people in America feel a need to belong but its never as easy as being one or the other, shyt like this got so much gray area. I just leave it to those people to talk that kinda talk, kinda like when that Kony 2012 craze was goin on.

 

[karim]

Off top, 115th & 2nd stand up
I got more of a right to complain about a neighborhood changing than most of you, my mom owning property here probably gives me a different perspective than most, currently renting two apartments to people of color but if Becky and Bradley wanna come through and drop $200 more a month who are we to say no? Welcome to Harlem

Now...no one ever talks about the other side, where section 8 is being put up in suburbs, suburbs that people like my aunt moved into from the hood, working most her life to be able to afford to live in. Once section 8 get's put up it's only a matter of time it seems, slowly the neighborhood begins to resemble the barrio she left before you know it it's ''bloods'' on the corners neighbors moving out and property losing value like Cam lost his swag. She is by no means alone in this situation.

Do you have an opinion on this particular phenomenon or don't you have an original thought in your body?

where do you think becky and bradly came from before they moved to harlem? and where do you suppose the people that paid 200 dollars less rent are moving to, now that they can't afford to live in harlem anymore? it's the same phenomenon genius.

 

[How Sway?]

where do you think becky and bradly came from, before they moved to harlem? and where do you suppose the people that paid 200 dollars less rent are moving too, now that they can't afford to live in harlem anymore? it's the same phenomenon genius.

white people want the city back. All the stuff that happened in the 20th century is reversing itself. Whites moving back to the city, blacks moving back down south, everybody who ain't white moving to the suburbs....

 

[newarkhiphop]

yeah I dont get it either. Some people actually think that a landlord is obligated to rent to only 'this person" or 'that type of person' but they dont realize this is a numbers game based on economics.

If I own a tenement or a big Multi-unit home that has easy access to the downtown area via public transportation, and Bradley the 24 yr old college graduate is willing to pay after I increase my rent, then there is no reason not to rent to him.

^this is just a basic scenario BTW.

Technically some of those apartment building landlord's are obligated because they have to set aside a certain number of apartments for section 8/lower income housing

Home owners it's different tho

 

[BlvdBrawler]

A little off-topic, this is the first time I've seen a thread go 9 replies deep without either "CAC" or "C00n" being thrown around. Well done guys, that is progress.

 

[kingdizzy01]

this gentrification manifest destiny shyt is happening everywhere

at these pretentious culture vultures pushing out blacks and latinos from their homes...history really does repeat itself

 

[No_bammer_weed]

Im all for the economic revitalization of previously marginalized areas....but this transformation shouldnt be at the complete expense of all the poorer residents. Yes, capitalism in its current form has winners and losers, but our govt. is supposed to intervene and guard against the complete displacement of current residents in a lower economic strata. Both ideas can certainly be accomplished, but the theory goes that the powerful are all too often animated over the idea of "kicking the nikkers out" asap.

Its been said that the social conditions of the later-20th century exaggerated the gentrification phenomenon....lots of baby boomer white folks, shift from blue collar to white/technical jobs, "suburbinization" drove white folks away but the civil rights movement pulled them back to the city in droves, blacks in certain areas were more vulnerable, etc...the theory goes that gentrification shouldnt be AS pronounced now, because blacks have more political and economic power.

 

[Poitier]

That's elementary tho, one of the biggest issues about gentrification is something you're alluding to right here. While advocates will say it diversifies the economic demographic and brings in more tax dollars, the shunting of people from the city to the suburbs does nothing to address the issues the community. More white people in the neighborhood isn't gonna change the circumstances for nikkaz, it's an invasive behavior and is insult to injury following the crack era. It's not the city that made nikkaz hood, its the lack of opportunity and the bad habits developed over the past few generations. Gentrification doesn't solve that problem for the people you're talking about, it just kicks them out of the places that for some, is all they've ever known, and puts them in a new area they hardly know. That has no bearing on behavior changes, especially when those changes are hardly encouraged in our society to begin with.

Can't deny your point tho, its a real issue.

It's a little bit early to talk about the recent trending of heavy gentrification in cities will have on Blacks as they move South and into suburbs...

this gentrification manifest destiny shyt is happening everywhere

at these pretentious culture vultures pushing out blacks and latinos from their homes...history really does repeat itself

Were not Blacks and Latinos homes in the first place. If more of us knew the value in OWNING not RENTING then we would be better off. Can't blame the White man for that. Don't see the Chinese being pushed out of their neighborhoods.

 

[R.E.N. Spells Ren]

yeah I dont get it either. Some people actually think that a landlord is obligated to rent to only 'this person" or 'that type of person' but they dont realize this is a numbers game based on economics.

If I own a tenement or a big Multi-unit home that has easy access to the downtown area via public transportation, and Bradley the 24 yr old college graduate is willing to pay after I increase my rent, then there is no reason not to rent to him.

^this is just a basic scenario BTW.

I don't think the complaints are about a landlord accepting higher rent, it's about Becky and Bradley wanting to move there to begin with and subsequently driving rents up making it harder for those who lived their for decades to stay.

And then Becky's desire being aided by the government through policy, like the one described in the OP where they're moving people out.