jwonder
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So We Really Gotta Get A 5th String QB Huh....2023 49ers Offseason Thread
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jwonder
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That size and speed. If he is showing out in practice. No reason not to have him on the field.
Oh wait. Mason did that. smdh.
I really think the Niners should move on from this hack. Teams is bonkers with talent and he gets outcoached every time when it counts.
feelosofer
#ninergang
So if Harbaugh is a hack and Kyle Shanahan is a hack. Who is this magical coach that can lead us to the promised land?
jwonder
Superstar
Me fool
Naw. Well I wanted Demeco to take over. They could get Mike Tomlin. I believe Kyle and his contract is up close by or at the same time.
shyt I'd even take Wilks over Shanny. I think he got a raw deal in AZ.
This team is way to stacked not to have at least two rings by now. Kyle decision making and play calling is ass way too much. Very stubborn. He needs an OC to call plays. That's going to be his down fall.
We would have to have an Eagles type schedule like they had last year and NOT play the Chiefs for him to get a ring. Big games he doesn't show up. Just like Harbaugh. Harbaugh still doing it at Michigan.
feelosofer
#ninergang
Me fool
Naw. Well I wanted Demeco to take over. They could get Mike Tomlin. I believe Kyle and his contract is up close by or at the same time.
shyt I'd even take Wilks over Shanny. I think he got a raw deal in AZ.
This team is way to stacked not to have at least two rings by now. Kyle decision making and play calling is ass way too much. Very stubborn. He needs an OC to call plays. That's going to be his down fall.
We would have to have an Eagles type schedule like they had last year and NOT play the Chiefs for him to get a ring. Big games he doesn't show up. Just like Harbaugh. Harbaugh still doing it at Michigan.
I also feel Wilks got railroaded in AZ but still G. Shanny by every metric is considered a top 5 coach in the NFL by most. I get its frustrating we haven't won a Superbowl but so have 31 other teams. We are the favorites to come out the NFC again this year even over the Eagles.
yseJ
Empire strikes back
No disrespect to my homie @1ncognegro cuz that's his cuz... but realistically Winstead would be lucky to make the practice squad. He runs like a 4.8. His game got lots of holes. And they just got a bunch of backup TEs.
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1ncognegro
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That time is incorrect. He runs a 4.56
yseJ
Empire strikes back
I stand corrected. Is this an official time?
1ncognegro
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That’s what he ran at his pro day. Somehow that 4.7 got put out there and it’s false. Dont know how
Honestly, on a team that isn't even currently using Danny Grey for deep outs... I don't think 40 time for someone 6'4 is as important as vertical, catch radius and frame capacity to bulk up the body for blocking for the run does.
End of the day, if they're ever sending cuh out there to run an out with any intention of throwing it, something has gone very wrong considering the skillset of the team.
Or, something has gone very right for this UDFA in making it into the gameplan in that sense.
My point being, I don't think 40 time really will even matter. The thing is going to be if this shiftiness will translate on the field, and will work through press coverage. Because if mans is ever in the slot on this team, something has gone very wrong. Moreso than even the above out route situation.
End of the day, if they're ever sending cuh out there to run an out with any intention of throwing it, something has gone very wrong considering the skillset of the team.
Or, something has gone very right for this UDFA in making it into the gameplan in that sense.
My point being, I don't think 40 time really will even matter. The thing is going to be if this shiftiness will translate on the field, and will work through press coverage. Because if mans is ever in the slot on this team, something has gone very wrong. Moreso than even the above out route situation.
yseJ
Empire strikes back
I mean, yeah...we have four WRs set in stone already and thats without Danny Gray. Its always an uphill battle for an UDFA. Bourne made it when our WR room was thin and Jennings (7th round) barely made the PS and had to play there for a year.
Again if it wasn't @1ncognegro cuz Id be harsher on dude on what Ive seen on little tape so far, but theres a reason he went undrafted. I hope all the best for him and if he shows out he'll be noticed. I'll be rooting for him. That's all Im gonna say
to @1ncognegro good luck to your boy
Jmare007
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Scott McCloughan's drunk (great at scouting) ass gives his takes on some of our draft picks 
S Ji’Ayir Brown, third round, No. 87
McCloughan said he loves Brown’s toughness, his intelligence, his instincts, his makeup and how he plays the run. The former Penn State safety had 147 tackles over the past two seasons and forced three fumbles.
But Brown’s foot speed is a concern.
“He’s going to show up in the run game, he’s going to show up on (special) teams, he’s going to show up on anything in front of him,” he said. “But anything deep is going to be an issue.”
Brown ran his 40-yard dash in 4.65 seconds at the NFL Scouting Combine. By comparison, Hufanga — who fell in the draft due to concerns over his speed — ran a 4.64 40 two years ago. McCloughan, however, said Hufanga moves better than Brown. He gave Hufanga a third-round grade in 2021. He gave Brown a fourth-round grade.
“In coverage, if you’re a step late, you’re done,” he said. “In run (defense), you can be two steps late and still be OK. But (Brown) has no makeup speed and no long closing speed. And that’s what will hold him back.”
But Brown’s foot speed is a concern.
“He’s going to show up in the run game, he’s going to show up on (special) teams, he’s going to show up on anything in front of him,” he said. “But anything deep is going to be an issue.”
Brown ran his 40-yard dash in 4.65 seconds at the NFL Scouting Combine. By comparison, Hufanga — who fell in the draft due to concerns over his speed — ran a 4.64 40 two years ago. McCloughan, however, said Hufanga moves better than Brown. He gave Hufanga a third-round grade in 2021. He gave Brown a fourth-round grade.
“In coverage, if you’re a step late, you’re done,” he said. “In run (defense), you can be two steps late and still be OK. But (Brown) has no makeup speed and no long closing speed. And that’s what will hold him back.”
TE Cameron Latu, third round, No. 101
McCloughan had a much better assessment of Latu. The 49ers took him with the second-to-last pick in the third round. McCloughan had a second-round grade on the tight end.
“I’ve been scouting him for three years,” he said. “I saw him in the spring game as a sophomore and I never lost sight of him from that point on.”
McCloughan’s assessment of Latu was very similar to the 49ers’. He said he’s a work in progress, someone who will be a complementary piece early in his career. But there’s a sense that Latu, who switched from defensive end to tight end at Alabama before the 2019 season, has plenty of room to grow in every facet of the game.
“He competes,” McCloughan said of Latu’s blocking ability. “It’s just not there yet. But that’s what I’m saying — when it’s all said and done, he has the chance to be an every-down tight end. Which means he can block and work as a receiver. I think he can get there in time. I think he will intrigue the sh– out of you in rookie minicamp, OTAs and training camp. Because you’re going to see some of the athleticism. It’s pretty freakin’ cool.”
He continued.
“I guarantee you he’s a phenomenal basketball player,” he said. “I guarantee it. You can just tell. It was like watching Tony Gonzalez run routes. You could tell he was a basketball player. You could see how smooth he was. You could see his flexibility and his movements in and out of breaks. There were no wasted steps. That’s what Latu has. Latu’s not there yet. But he has a chance to get there. That’s going to end up being a hell of a pick.”
For the record, Latu did play basketball growing up. He also wrestled, ran track and field and was on the rugby team.
“I’ve been scouting him for three years,” he said. “I saw him in the spring game as a sophomore and I never lost sight of him from that point on.”
McCloughan’s assessment of Latu was very similar to the 49ers’. He said he’s a work in progress, someone who will be a complementary piece early in his career. But there’s a sense that Latu, who switched from defensive end to tight end at Alabama before the 2019 season, has plenty of room to grow in every facet of the game.
“He competes,” McCloughan said of Latu’s blocking ability. “It’s just not there yet. But that’s what I’m saying — when it’s all said and done, he has the chance to be an every-down tight end. Which means he can block and work as a receiver. I think he can get there in time. I think he will intrigue the sh– out of you in rookie minicamp, OTAs and training camp. Because you’re going to see some of the athleticism. It’s pretty freakin’ cool.”
He continued.
“I guarantee you he’s a phenomenal basketball player,” he said. “I guarantee it. You can just tell. It was like watching Tony Gonzalez run routes. You could tell he was a basketball player. You could see how smooth he was. You could see his flexibility and his movements in and out of breaks. There were no wasted steps. That’s what Latu has. Latu’s not there yet. But he has a chance to get there. That’s going to end up being a hell of a pick.”
For the record, Latu did play basketball growing up. He also wrestled, ran track and field and was on the rugby team.
TE Brayden Willis, seventh round, No. 247
McCloughan said Willis’ length (33 1/2-inch arms), his receiving skills (514 yards last season) and the spot at which the 49ers grabbed him (late in the seventh round) made him a “pretty damn good pick.”
His question about the Oklahoma product is whether he can be aligned inline or whether he needs to be offset — as a slot receiver or an H-back — to be effective.
“He’s a big receiver right now,” he said. “What you’re hoping for is that he turns into a tight end. … His saving grace was the Senior Bowl, hands down. That put him on the map because it showed his athleticism. But that’s what he is — a seven-on-seven, one-on-one guy. In 11 on 11, unless he’s flexed out, he’s not going to help you.”
His question about the Oklahoma product is whether he can be aligned inline or whether he needs to be offset — as a slot receiver or an H-back — to be effective.
“He’s a big receiver right now,” he said. “What you’re hoping for is that he turns into a tight end. … His saving grace was the Senior Bowl, hands down. That put him on the map because it showed his athleticism. But that’s what he is — a seven-on-seven, one-on-one guy. In 11 on 11, unless he’s flexed out, he’s not going to help you.”
WR Ronnie Bell, seventh round, No. 253
McCloughan said he enjoyed scouting Bell over the last three years. “I love him to death,” he said. But he loves him as a college player, not as an NFL prospect.
“It’s speed,” he said of the Michigan receiver, who ran a 4.54-second 40 at 191 pounds. “He’s one of those guys — you love college football because those guys can be good. They can be damn good. But you know what? They’re not NFL players. If he makes the team, then their fifth and sixth wide receivers are not good at all. (Bell is) young and doesn’t run fast, and as you get older, you get slower.”
McCloughan was asked how Bell compared to Kyle Williams, a similarly sized receiver the 49ers took late in the 2010 draft.
“Kyle Williams was a much better athlete, much quicker, much faster,” he said. “But this guy plays bigger, which is important in the NFL for a lack-of-speed guy. You have to play big.”
In that way, McCloughan said he thought it was worth it to take a late-round flier on Bell. He could be a backup at punt returner this season and has the mettle to be a good coverage player on special teams. One of the 49ers’ gunners from last season, Tarvarius Moore, is now with the Packers.
“Was it worth a shot that late (in the draft)?” McCloughan said. “Hell yeah.”
“It’s speed,” he said of the Michigan receiver, who ran a 4.54-second 40 at 191 pounds. “He’s one of those guys — you love college football because those guys can be good. They can be damn good. But you know what? They’re not NFL players. If he makes the team, then their fifth and sixth wide receivers are not good at all. (Bell is) young and doesn’t run fast, and as you get older, you get slower.”
McCloughan was asked how Bell compared to Kyle Williams, a similarly sized receiver the 49ers took late in the 2010 draft.
“Kyle Williams was a much better athlete, much quicker, much faster,” he said. “But this guy plays bigger, which is important in the NFL for a lack-of-speed guy. You have to play big.”
In that way, McCloughan said he thought it was worth it to take a late-round flier on Bell. He could be a backup at punt returner this season and has the mettle to be a good coverage player on special teams. One of the 49ers’ gunners from last season, Tarvarius Moore, is now with the Packers.
“Was it worth a shot that late (in the draft)?” McCloughan said. “Hell yeah.”
LB Jalen Graham, seventh round, No. 255
The 49ers may have saved the best for last, according to McCloughan. At the very least, he thinks Graham, the Purdue linebacker who was taken four picks before Mr. Irrelevant, gives them exceptional value.
“I gave him a fourth-round grade two years in a row,” McCloughan said. “Nobody else liked him. I kept saying, ‘What do you mean? He’s out there making plays.’”
After the draft, general manager John Lynch said Winters, a linebacker they took in the sixth round, drew some in-house comparison to Dre Greenlaw. McCloughan said Graham reminded him a lot of Azeez Al-Shaair, who signed with the Titans two months ago.
Graham had an unimpressive 4.64-second 40 time at the combine and was even slower — 4.78 — at Purdue’s pro day, which likely sent him tumbling to the end of the seventh round. McCloughan, however, said Graham had terrific eyes, that he reacted quickly to plays and that his 5-yard closing speed was excellent.
“And that’s how the game is played,” he said. “Because I’m telling you, this cat’s got change of direction, he’s got instincts, he’s got eyes. And he’s got pass rush, too. So on third down, he can put his hand on the ground.”
McCloughan predicted Graham would be a standout on special teams and that he’d compete for the strongside linebacker role that previously belonged to Al-Shaair.
“I’d be surprised if he doesn’t make it,” he said. “Because he’s got some qualities that are pretty unique. Whoever found him — whoever that scout was — that’s pretty freakin’ cool.”
“I gave him a fourth-round grade two years in a row,” McCloughan said. “Nobody else liked him. I kept saying, ‘What do you mean? He’s out there making plays.’”
After the draft, general manager John Lynch said Winters, a linebacker they took in the sixth round, drew some in-house comparison to Dre Greenlaw. McCloughan said Graham reminded him a lot of Azeez Al-Shaair, who signed with the Titans two months ago.
Graham had an unimpressive 4.64-second 40 time at the combine and was even slower — 4.78 — at Purdue’s pro day, which likely sent him tumbling to the end of the seventh round. McCloughan, however, said Graham had terrific eyes, that he reacted quickly to plays and that his 5-yard closing speed was excellent.
“And that’s how the game is played,” he said. “Because I’m telling you, this cat’s got change of direction, he’s got instincts, he’s got eyes. And he’s got pass rush, too. So on third down, he can put his hand on the ground.”
McCloughan predicted Graham would be a standout on special teams and that he’d compete for the strongside linebacker role that previously belonged to Al-Shaair.
“I’d be surprised if he doesn’t make it,” he said. “Because he’s got some qualities that are pretty unique. Whoever found him — whoever that scout was — that’s pretty freakin’ cool.”
