So the Count of Monte Cristo was really the highest ranking black man in a western army before 1989

[karim]

I did you just have a different standards for c00ning. Marching into Egypt thinking this man only bodied Arabs gives you comfort, but thats not the reality. Ol boy is delusional. Yea so the nation that you serve, the nation that took such a big chunk of Africa for themselves are going to go into Africa as liberators of people and not their typical place as conquerors. Either hes not that intelligent or just mad Napoloeon styled on him.

you haven't read the book so you don't know what you are talking about. your opinion is invalid.

edit: plus you obviously lack knowledge about the french revolution and colonial history. white people didn't start colonizing africa until the late 19th century. this man lived in the late 18th century, when no european nation had started to take large parts of africa for themselves.

after the french had abolished their feudal system, and declared liberty and equality as principles of their new republic, the other european monarchies feared that they could set an example. therefore, they tried to undermine the stability of the new state. the revlutionaries in turn tried to export their ideals. in part because they realized that the surrounding monarchies would continue to try and undermine them and in part out of solidarity with the oppressed.

so, what thomas dumas did was defend and export the achievements of the revolution, part of which was the equal status of black people such as himself. how is that c00ning?

 

[Blackking]

I did you just have a different standards for c00ning. Marching into Egypt thinking this man only bodied Arabs gives you comfort, but thats not the reality. Ol boy is delusional. Yea so the nation that you serve, the nation that took such a big chunk of Africa for themselves are going to go into Africa as liberators of people and not their typical place as conquerors. Either hes not that intelligent or just mad Napoloeon styled on him.

I think he made the most of his options.. he wasn't a witness to ijm crow in america, or the effects of colonization in Africa... he also couldn't get on the internet and google random facts about egypt. He knew he wanted (what was considered) a dignified profession and he did it to the best of his abilities ...... and in the process he's the one that styled on Nepoleon. Style so much so that in the carribean and everywhere else people were order to not even mention dudes name and to tried to erase him from history.

We need to balance name calling and classifications out for different time periods. One standard that withstands the test of time is...... 'if you're making CAC upset all over the world, then you must be doing something right. '

Also, yeah.... i have no problem with a real black man and former slave murking the people who hijacked Egypt.

 

[unit321]

Yeah, Monte Cristo is bout that life.

 

[Mowgli]

I think he made the most of his options.. he wasn't a witness to ijm crow in america, or the effects of colonization in Africa... he also couldn't get on the internet and google random facts about egypt. He knew he wanted (what was considered) a dignified profession and he did it to the best of his abilities ...... and in the process he's the one that styled on Nepoleon. Style so much so that in the carribean and everywhere else people were order to not even mention dudes name and to tried to erase him from history.

We need to balance name calling and classifications out for different time periods. One standard that withstands the test of time is...... 'if you're making CAC upset all over the world, then you must be doing something right. '

Also, yeah.... i have no problem with a real black man and former slave murking the people who hijacked Egypt.

You a muslim, a man that believes Muhammed is a prophet of God but wants to see Arabs dead. Hilarious. The confusion is up there with the Count of Monte Crisco. Making a cac mad means you're doing something right doesnt mean shyt really. They're both working for the same purpose, To make France wealthy, the difference being one of them wanted it more, Napoleon and destroyed his competitor, the count of Monte Crisco. Dude isnt a hero and i see no reason for him to be recognized as Black Excellence. c00n excellence, definately.

 

[YaThreadFloppedB!]

Hit the snitch button you bald headed fakkit. This thread Toast.

 

[Mowgli]

you haven't read the book so you don't know what you are talking about. your opinion is invalid.

edit: plus you obviously lack knowledge about the french revolution and colonial history. white people didn't start colonizing africa until the late 19th century. this man lived in the late 18th century, when no european nation had started to take large parts of africa for themselves.

after the french had abolished their feudal system, and declared liberty and equality as principles of their new republic, the other european monarchies feared that they could set an example. therefore, they tried to undermine the stability of the new state. the revlutionaries in turn tried to export their ideals. in part because they realized that the surrounding monarchies would continue to try and undermine them and in part out of solidarity with the oppressed.

so, what thomas dumas did was defend and export the achievements of the revolution, part of which was the equal status of black people such as himself. how is that c00ning?

Dumas was a clown and by your description was the only one not in on the joke. France declaration rights of man was as intended for slaves in French colonies as the Declaration of Independence was for black people in america. Why do you think the French were having SLAVE revolts in their colonies? Because slaves were like I thought they was talkin bout us out this maw fukuh. When they started colonizing Africa makes no difference because they were already putting in that WORK on the slave trade tip. Interests c00ns like Dumas fought to protect.

The whole reason Napoloeon and this House Negro were in Egypt in the first place were to protect trade, part of which was the deal they were getting for slaves, which at the time was being undermined by Britain basically fukking everyone up and taking over key aspects of the trade game in Africa. Everyone was working with Arabs to get a variety of things, many of which, were African human beings. Dumas, fukkboy number 1 c00ning it up out there to protect that? Nah, you dont get no credit for that, nah you dont get no credit for that, Maw FUKKKUH!!!

Im not sure how you pull good intentions out of this mans intentions. He has a boss, his boss tells him what to do and his boss expects him to say YASSA boss and go out there and make it do what it do.

Alot of black people out there get confused by shyt like this because many of us still feel a sense of validation when history shows us having competence in leading white people to take on big tasks. Unfortunately, when the intent tapdances into c00nville i gotta say, stop it its Disgusting..

House Negro Excellence.

 

[Hiphoplives4eva]

Nah, I'm not really confused about who I am ethnicity-wise, moreso about where I (if anywhere) "fit".

On second thought I'm not even gonna go too into the whole concept of "c00ning" that is thrown out here because I'm not American and there's nothing really similar (as a concept) in Europe. Your historical explanation makes sense in an american context, but precisely since there were far less slaves on european soil (as opposed to in european colonies) it doesn't really apply back here.

Dude, your wrong and confused. Racism is VERY REAL in Europe don't get it twisted. Whites in Europe have had more experience dealing with black people, so their more sophisticated with it. But trust me, racism is Europe exists, and the same mullatoe duynamic happend all throughout europe. Do some reading on "Les Codes Noirs" (The Black Codes) passed by King Louie 14 in 18th century Europe to see an example of this.

 

[Hiphoplives4eva]

I don't think that it applies in the us either. They had the one drop rule that made everybody with a hint of african heritage black. As a result you have "lightskinned" people who are clearly descendents of interracial relationships, but are considered members of the black community. The US and other anglo saxon colonies never had a system that assigned social position according to different shades of blackness as. There never was a mulatto class like there was in Haiti or an intricate colour based caste system like in the spanish colonies. There where white people and non white people and that was about it..

Uh your wrong. Look up the New Orleans Creole community, the Boule's, or or these these other high yellow colored communities

 

[Reality]

Is that the reason why his sandwich is deep fried?

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[MostReal]

It takes a minute to rewire everything up in this brain bruh. Im still soaking all of this in. Im not sure what to call him. I guess since his fathers white, hes fighting for white supremacy we can just call him cacish?

 

[Mowgli]

The Cac of Monte Crisco.

 

[Mowgli]

Uh your wrong. Look up the New Orleans Creole community, the Boule's, or or these these other high yellow colored communities

Man ol boy must have never heard of plantation Slavery. Do you read history of just Skim THROUGH it ass nikkas.

 

[karim]

Uh your wrong. Look up the New Orleans Creole community, the Boule's, or or these these other high yellow colored communities

yes, but those developed under french rule. the whole concept of creole is latin. the us assigned social position according to the legal status of the mother. if she was a slave, the child was a slave too. french and spanish colonies had a more complicated code that differentiated a persons rights by where they were born and the degree they were mixed. this created a social hirachy with fully whites born in europe on top, followed by whites born in the americas (the original creoles), followed by mixed people and fully black slaves at the bottom. mixed people could make it to certain positions of power and influence, especially by acquiring fortunes through trade. they could also own slaves themselves. as a result, the interests of mixed people differed from those of black slaves, which is why they didn't unite with them against white rule and tried to defend their privileges against black slaves fighting for freedom. this system was designed because the population in spanish and french colonies consisted of only a few whites and mainly black slaves and mixed people. so in order to prevent them from uniting against the white masters, the colonialists applied divide and conquer tactics. the us never had to do this, because the white population there was much larger.

Dumas was a clown and by your description was the only one not in on the joke. France declaration rights of man was as intended for slaves in French colonies as the Declaration of Independence was for black people in america. Why do you think the French were having SLAVE revolts in their colonies? Because slaves were like I thought they was talkin bout us out this maw fukuh. When they started colonizing Africa makes no difference because they were already putting in that WORK on the slave trade tip. Interests c00ns like Dumas fought to protect.

The whole reason Napoloeon and this House Negro were in Egypt in the first place were to protect trade, part of which was the deal they were getting for slaves, which at the time was being undermined by Britain basically fukking everyone up and taking over key aspects of the trade game in Africa. Everyone was working with Arabs to get a variety of things, many of which, were African human beings. Dumas, fukkboy number 1 c00ning it up out there to protect that? Nah, you dont get no credit for that, nah you dont get no credit for that, Maw FUKKKUH!!!

Im not sure how you pull good intentions out of this mans intentions. He has a boss, his boss tells him what to do and his boss expects him to say YASSA boss and go out there and make it do what it do.

Alot of black people out there get confused by shyt like this because many of us still feel a sense of validation when history shows us having competence in leading white people to take on big tasks. Unfortunately, when the intent tapdances into c00nville i gotta say, stop it its Disgusting..

House Negro Excellence.

again, you didn't read the book and have a poor grasp of history. the egypt campaign was about many things, among them napoleons ego, trade with india and the governments attempts to keep him away from paris. first you argued that he was defending french colonialism and when that turned out to be wrong you changed that to he was defending the slave trade. anyways, you're trolling, i'm done arguing with you

 

[mbewane]

Dude, your wrong and confused. Racism is VERY REAL in Europe don't get it twisted. Whites in Europe have had more experience dealing with black people, so their more sophisticated with it. But trust me, racism is Europe exists, and the same mullatoe duynamic happend all throughout europe. Do some reading on "Les Codes Noirs" (The Black Codes) passed by King Louie 14 in 18th century Europe to see an example of this.

Breh I've been living in Europe for 15 years, I think I know a bit about this continent.

I never said there wasn't racism in Europe, I'm saying it's different (emphasis on "DIFFERENT", not better or worse) because you didn't have a massive slave population on European soil. So Europeans were not seeing/interacting with slaves on a daily basis, and hence concepts such as "house negro" or "c00n" are not as relevant in Europe. More relevant are concepts such as "evolved" or the opposition between the legal statuses of "slave", "citizen" and "indigenous", all of which were never massively present in Europe. And on the other hand you didn't have an apartheid reality on European soil (or things such as the Klan hanging black people).

Again, NOT SAYING it's better/worse, just saying it is/was DIFFERENT.

 

[Liu Kang]

race was some idea cooked up by the whites so that they could finally feel superior[...]
now to this day fools are still bent out of shape about who's black and who's not really black.

Yes.
Partially quoted because I don't necessarely agree with the rest but still true. "Race" as a concept didn't exist until Europeans colonized the world in the 1700s. People looking similar always saw themselves as part of the same group of people but never as a "race" ie with shared physical, social, behavioral, intellectual (and so on) characteristics. Realizing that they were more technologically advanced, the Europeans then declared themselves superior as a people, and with scientific advances in biology going on, as a race. That's where Racism (capital "r" because it's the OG meaning) begin when Europeans created the idea that "white" genes were superior to other ones because they were more advanced as a people. And because it was supposed to be from a genetic basis, here started the race (which was primarly a biologic meaning) stuff.

IMO races doesn't exist because education and culture are such factors that it destroys every attempt to think that a genetic basis create different types of people. Meaning that a white hood dude, will share more similar, behavioral, cultural and or social attributes with a black hood dude than with a white rich dude. Some of you will say that being white in a mostly white country will always give him an advantage and you will be right. But that advantage will only be socially-constructed one and not an innate attribute : it's because of the society, the system which is corrupted towards him, not because of his self.
Some people don't want to realize that (or can't) because looks are still the main characteristics they go with to differentiate themselves from others but it's true. Problem is, because it's been this way for so long, this behavior is now cultural (and therefore "normal") for some people and therefore hard to counter because hard to realize for them. That's where racism (with a lower "r" starts).

Because, to me, there are two racisms :
- Racism : superiority of a people on another off a -bogus- genetic basis, and nowadays off a complexion
- racism : attribution of a set of characteristics (behavior, intelligence, physical "attributes"...) for people sharing the same complexion and/or the same provenance.

You americans call the second one bigotry or prejudice, but in europe it's called racism too :
- thinking that all black people love chicken because they are black is racist (even it's may be true to some extent... them tenders )
- thinking that all white people don't shower because they are white is racist (even it's may be true to some extent...)
- thinking that all russians are drunks because they are russians is racist (even it's may be true to some extent...)
- thinking that all arabs are muslims because they are arabs is racist (even it's may be true to some extent...)
- thinking that all dominicans have sex with their cousins because they are dominicans is racist (even it's may be true to some extent...)
etc...

That's why, we Euros sometimes calls some pro-black americans on this board racist because some of them use the same thought process as non-black people who categorize us.