So No More Fantastic Four Comic and no new X Men Characters?

[MartyMcFly]

While Sony Pictures and Marvel might be able to work out a deal to bring Spider-Man into the Marvel Cinematic Universe, the bitter rivalry between Marvel and 20th Century Fox continues. Fox owns the screen rights to X-Men and Fantastic Four, and Marvel has retaliated by undermining those properties. According to Marvel Comics writer Chris Claremont [via Bleeding Cool], the company has forbidden the creation of new X-Men characters because those characters could then be used by Fox.

Bleeding Cool also reports that Fantastic Four will be canceled next year with the triple-sized issue #645, Fantastic Fourever (a cruelly ironic title). Bleeding Cool expects that the series will end sometime around April, so there won’t be any support on shelves when The Fantastic Four opens in theaters on August 7, 2015.

Per Bleeding Cool, this decision is:

a result of Disney’s highest single shareholder and Marvel CEO Isaac Perlmutter’s anger with Fox Studios over negotiations regarding the film-and-related rights to The Fantastic Four, that Marvel would cancel the Fantastic Four comic rather than provide any promotion, however small it might be, towards the Fox Studios film. Merchandise and licenses were scrapped and even Fantastic Four posters in the offices were pulled down lest Perlmutter see one and have his ire raised.

As THR reported earlier this year, Perlmutter is an…unusual businessman. However, Marvel Comics can get away with this cancelation since Fantastic Four doesn’t sell particularly well, although if the movie was a success, the comics would probably get a boost. X-Men is too valuable to cancel, but that doesn’t mean it’s going to get Marvel’s full support either.

However, rather than have a rising tide raise all ships, Marvel would be perfectly content to let Fox sink to the bottom of the ocean. X-Men sells well enough to continue, but there will be no toys or any of the usual ancillary revenues. The fight between Fox and Marvel is why there were no X-Men: Days of Future Past toys, and those would have been huge for Fox since there are so many mutants in that movie.

With Deadpool on the way, I wouldn’t be surprised if the Merc with the Mouth also loses his comic book series. Comic characters can survive just about everything except the cost of doing business.


Read more at http://collider.com/marvel-fights-fox-cancels-fantastic-four/#HrgvfySYCxlFlpHM.99

So this is petty as fukk. The cancelation of FF has been a rumor for a while but they can't create new X Men characters now because of some studio bs??

 

[MartyMcFly]

bump

 

[loyola llothta]

"I have to say quite honestly as I understand it now the X department is forbidden to create new characters. Well… who owns them? All because all new characters become the film property of Fox. There will be no X-Men merchandising for the foreseeable future because, why promote Fox material?"

marvel give no fuks

 

[MartyMcFly]

"I have to say quite honestly as I understand it now the X department is forbidden to create new characters. Well… who owns them? All because all new characters become the film property of Fox. There will be no X-Men merchandising for the foreseeable future because, why promote Fox material?"

marvel give no fuks

It's petty tho son

 

[ManxOfxThexYear]

Not petty, why promote another business?? Just sell it back to its originators and everything will be good in the universe again.

 

[MartyMcFly]

Not petty, why promote another business?? Just sell it back to its originators and everything will be good in the universe again.

Because you sold it to them to begin with. That's like Honda selling you a car and then telling you that they won't service it for you anymore just because. No one told marvel to run their business in a fashion that caused them to damn near be bankrupt in the 90s. They needed to sell assets to stay afloat. You can't be mad at someone else for yor poor business decisions

 

[ManxOfxThexYear]

Because you sold it to them to begin with. That's like Honda selling you a car and then telling you that they won't service it for you anymore just because. No one told marvel to run their business in a fashion that caused them to damn near be bankrupt in the 90s. They needed to sell assets to stay afloat. You can't be mad at someone else for yor poor business decisions

Yes, Marvel made poor decisions with it in the 90s but Sony/Fox are making poor decisions now and have had more movies that didnt sell as well than movies that did. They need to just sell it back, bottom line. There's a reason why Daredevil, Elektra, Ghost Rider, Punisher, Blade and Man-Thing all went back to Marvel

 

[MartyMcFly]

Yes, Marvel made poor decisions with it in the 90s but Sony/Fox are making poor decisions now and have had more movies that didnt sell as well than movies that did. They need to just sell it back, bottom line. There's a reason why Daredevil, Elektra, Ghost Rider, Punisher, Blade and Man-Thing all went back to Marvel

Breh they aren't doing this out of a sense of quality control especially when the X men movies (the last two) are critically acclaimed and successful. They're doing this out of spite don't fool yourself into thinking that. And this is the comics wing of Marvel not the studio wing. The CEO feels like why help the competition nothing about shytty decisions they're making or not making. Read up on the dude, he's an eccentric cheap cat from Bensonhurst who has no problem being a dikk if it means he comes out on top. So not only is it out of spite but you hurt the fans who read the comics. The idea that movies will feed into comic sales is bullshyt. So all you're doing is hurting the fans who do read FF and who read all of the X books

 

[loyola llothta]

It's petty tho son

It makes perfect sense that Marvel wouldn't want to create a great new character that would instantly be the property of Fox Studios. I'm sure that they also get the rights to storylines from the books.

Hence, it makes more sense to stop writing new "Fantastic Four" stories and move the characters into other books where Marvel will retain the film rights to the new plotlines, concepts and characters. Likewise, while X-men is too popular of a title to cancel, I'm sure they'd rather premiere any new villains or characters in another title so as to keep the rights to them as well.

Why would Marvel create a new X-men character if that will instantly make it a property to another company that owns the license in movies

I don't see that as being "petty"... I see it as common-sense from a business standpoint.


This isn't even about the X-Men. It's about the fantastic four. Fox played hardball with that franchise. So now Marvel is just pushing back. Fox should've sold them back Fantastic Four and just kept the X-Men.

They got the X-Men for a STEAL. Marvel gets about like 1% of the movie profits. Marvel wanted to work a deal with Fox back in 2012 when the Daredevil rights were reverting. They had already given them two extensions and were going to give them another but Marvel just wanted to share Galactus and Silver Surfer for the Infinity Gauntlet epic they've had in the works. Fox told them to pound sand and sure enough they lost the DD rights.

Next Whedon announces he's going to use two of the longest tenured Avengers in AOU one of which being Quicksilver. Shortly thereafter Fox cuts Juggernaut from their upcoming DOFP (a role that was already written and cast with an actor!) in order to shoehorn in their own version of Quicksilver first. Talk about petty.


Fox try pulling marvel card so Disney/marvel try them like hoes.

 

[ManxOfxThexYear]

Breh they aren't doing this out of a sense of quality control especially when the X men movies (the last two) are critically acclaimed and successful. They're doing this out of spite don't fool yourself into thinking that. And this is the comics wing of Marvel not the studio wing. The CEO feels like why help the competition nothing about shytty decisions they're making or not making. Read up on the dude, he's an eccentric cheap cat from Bensonhurst who has no problem being a dikk if it means he comes out on top. So not only is it out of spite but you hurt the fans who read the comics. The idea that movies will feed into comic sales is bullshyt. So all you're doing is hurting the fans who do read FF and who read all of the X books

Im not being difficult breh, but they just may go after different audiences as odd and shallow as that sounds since it was comic book fans who are the reasons why these studios got into the movie business with it. I've never read the comic books and never plan to, but I will watch all these movies if they interest me and support them through other avenues to show support. I buy the movies, other merchandise, etc. It sounds like they using the whole idealogy of other kind of fans and at the same time alienating the comic book ones. Regardless, if i was in the comic books, id still chose better movies over new comics.

 

[MartyMcFly]

Im not being difficult breh, but they just may go after different audiences as odd and shallow as that sounds since it was comic book fans who are the reasons why these studios got into the movie business with it. I've never read the comic books and never plan to, but I will watch all these movies if they interest me and support them through other avenues to show support. I buy the movies, other merchandise, etc. It sounds like they using the whole idealogy of other kind of fans and at the same time alienating the comic book ones. Regardless, if i was in the comic books, id still chose better movies over new comics.

They do go after different audiences in a way because the movies have to be made with a general audience in mind but that's the point I'm making: You don't cut off the lifeblood or hurt the fans who do read your comics. Marvel Comics still need comics to sell, Marvel Studios is a different business altogether. You shouldn't alienate your audience out of spite

It makes perfect sense that Marvel wouldn't want to create a great new character that would instantly be the property of Fox Studios. I'm sure that they also get the rights to storylines from the books.

Hence, it makes more sense to stop writing new "Fantastic Four" stories and move the characters into other books where Marvel will retain the film rights to the new plotlines, concepts and characters. Likewise, while X-men is too popular of a title to cancel, I'm sure they'd rather premiere any new villains or characters in another title so as to keep the rights to them as well.

Why would Marvel create a new X-men character if that will instantly make it a property to another company that owns the license in movies

I don't see that as being "petty"... I see it as common-sense from a business standpoint.


This isn't even about the X-Men. It's about the fantastic four. Fox played hardball with that franchise. So now Marvel is just pushing back. Fox should've sold them back Fantastic Four and just kept the X-Men.

They got the X-Men for a STEAL. Marvel gets about like 1% of the movie profits. Marvel wanted to work a deal with Fox back in 2012 when the Daredevil rights were reverting. They had already given them two extensions and were going to give them another but Marvel just wanted to share Galactus and Silver Surfer for the Infinity Gauntlet epic they've had in the works. Fox told them to pound sand and sure enough they lost the DD rights.

Next Whedon announces he's going to use two of the longest tenured Avengers in AOU one of which being Quicksilver. Shortly thereafter Fox cuts Juggernaut from their upcoming DOFP (a role that was already written and cast with an actor!) in order to shoehorn in their own version of Quicksilver first. Talk about petty.


Fox try pulling marvel card so Disney/marvel try them like hoes.

I understand they have bad blood with Fox but it's petty to me because that's a Marvel Studios issue, not a Marvel Comics issue. That business that operates in Midtown not the one that operates in Burbank and the CEO is doing it all out of spite. The business in midtown still needs comics to keep it afloat along with merchandising. You kill that off all on a grudge and that's bad business to me.

 

[manyfaces]

shyt is real out there in them penciled and inked streets! Marvel ain't fukking around.






That shyt is pretty though.

 

[ManxOfxThexYear]

They do go after different audiences in a way because the movies have to be made with a general audience in mind but that's the point I'm making: You don't cut off the lifeblood or hurt the fans who do read your comics. Marvel Comics still need comics to sell, Marvel Studios is a different business altogether. You shouldn't alienate your audience out of spite



I understand they have bad blood with Fox but it's petty to me because that's a Marvel Studios issue, not a Marvel Comics issue. That business that operates in Midtown not the one that operates in Burbank and the CEO is doing it all out of spite. The business in midtown still needs comics to keep it afloat along with merchandising. You kill that off all on a grudge and that's bad business to me.

But in a business mind, you keep the whole business as one and go with the decisions that will make the most and benefit the company the most. Comics do not generate as much money as the movies, so thats how there going to roll. Yes it does suck for the comic book fans, but at the end of the day, the business needs to do whats best for business.

 

[MartyMcFly]

But in a business mind, you keep the whole business as one and go with the decisions that will make the most and benefit the company the most. Comics do not generate as much money as the movies, so thats how there going to roll. Yes it does suck for the comic book fans, but at the end of the day, the business needs to do whats best for business.

But that's what I'm saying, Marvel Studios has its own separate profit and ledger sheet from Marvel Comics. So you gotta do what benefits your separate entity. Now canceling FF could be a business decision but we all know it's not, it's spite breh that's not good business. That's why I'm telling you to read up on this dude, he's not acting on an instinct of business. They're Marvel's first family so not having them in a book doesn't make sense..but the X Men thing definitely doesn't make sense because the X books are consistently top sellers so why not keep adding characters to the world of your top selling books? Spite isn't business, it's making business personal

 

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