So if we don't raise the debt ceiling....

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the way to fix the debt is investing in the right things .. things that may cost money but pay off in the long run [like green/sustainable energy]

unlike the debt from the iraq war , which benefited halliburton etc
 

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the way to fix the debt is investing in the right things .. things that may cost money but pay off in the long run [like green/sustainable energy]

unlike the debt from the iraq war , which benefited halliburton etc

You mean like how the US invested in Solyndra.
 

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Well, I think what you are speculating is a major global depression.
The devalueization of the American dollar could happen if the US defaults on it's loans when 10-18-2013 rolls around and the debt ceiling hasn't been raised or possibly major cuts in spending (doubt that).

It doesn't matter whether you have the money in the bank or in your hand, it's going to be worth less. If you have a dollar, it might be worth a penny. So if you have $100, it would be worth $1. If you have $1,000, it is worth $10. This already happened in Asia a couple of years ago (1997) when Southeastern Asian countries were speculating the cost of real estate too high, and that real estate bubble popped. A lot of hedge funds were deep into Asian markets so that affect a lot investors. Google "Long-Term Capital Management". The value of the South Korean won and Japanese yen tanked to name two. People in those countries are still living and they aren't in post-apocalyse mode but it affected a lot of the middle class, who had money in savings.

So, if you withdraw the money, I would guess you would want to buy gold and/or silver because they will hold their value. Will we become like Greece, Brazil, and Argentina where the rich become richer and the poor become poorer? Maybe.

You're right about that. My statement wasn't to mitigate the risk of devaluation though, I was simply pointing out the risk of the FDIC not being able to match the losses in banks. The solvency for FDIC reserves is already below what it needs to be due to liabilities > Assets.
Sections 14 and 15 of the FDI Act govern the extent and terms of FDIC borrowing authority. Section 14 as amended extends the FDIC’s emergency borrowing privilege from the US Treasury, with the consent of the Secretary, from $5 billion to $30 billion when funds are needed to meet its insurance needs

We already know how the US Treasury is doing so borrowing from them would not be a viable option. I also believe that there was new legislation limiting the amount FDIC can borrow from private banks so.... :to:
 
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Lol....reagan raised the debt ceiling like 20 times during his admin....i think obama's raised it twice.

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I would love to hear the rationale behind allowing us to incur more debt...


No doubt defaulting will be extremely painful, but its seems best for the long run no?
 

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I would love to hear the rationale behind allowing us to incur more debt...

No doubt defaulting will be extremely painful, but its seems best for the long run no?
I don't understand the whole debt ceiling thing.

They keep saying it's to pay for things we've already agreed to pay for but why would you agree to pay for something when you weren't sure you'd have the money? I guess that's what's most confusing to me. Did you promise to pay for something and you had the money and spent it or did you never have the money and was hoping to be able to borrow it? If it's the first scenario, what happened to the money?
 

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I don't understand the whole debt ceiling thing.

They keep saying it's to pay for things we've already agreed to pay for but why would you agree to pay for something when you weren't sure you'd have the money? I guess that's what's most confusing to me. Did you promise to pay for something and you had the money and spent it or did you never have the money and was hoping to be able to borrow it? If it's the first scenario, what happened to the money?

 

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:patrice:Nice explanation, but its seems to ignore the problems with endless borrowing...
That's on Congress though...according to this video. They are budgeting for a certain number of dollars but we don't have enough money coming in to cover it all.
 
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