So hezbollah and al qaeda are fighting eachother in Syria?

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Just looking at the potential outcomes of a religious civil war between Muslims in the area. Syria started off as one thing but it is evolving rapidly. But since this is now hitting the MSM it pretty much means this has been going on for months now.
 

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Britain: EU ends arms embargo on Syrian opposition
By RAF CASERT and JAMEY KEATEN
— May. 27 8:13 PM EDT
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British Foreign Secretary William Hague, left, talks with Belgium's Foreign Minister Didier Reynders, during the EU foreign ministers meeting, at the European Council building in Brussels, Monday, May 27, 2013. The European Union nations remain divided on Monday whether to ease sanctions against Syria to allow for weapons shipments to rebels fighting the regime of Syria's President Bashar Assad. (AP Photo/Yves Logghe)
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In this photo released on Sunday, May 26, 2013, by the Syrian official news agency SANA, Syrian forces loyal to Syrian President Bashar Assad take their position during a clashes against Syrian rebels, in Aleppo, Syria. Syria's Information Ministry says rebels have killed a TV correspondent who was covering clashes near the border with Lebanon. (AP Photo/SANA)
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French Foreign Minister Laurent Fabius, right, talks with Belgium's Foreign Minister Didier Reynders, left, Luxembourg's Foreign Minister Jean Asselborn, second right, and Spain's Foreign Minister Jose Manuel Garcia-Margallo y Marfil, second left, during the EU foreign ministers meeting, at the European Council building in Brussels, Monday, May 27, 2013. The European Union nations remain divided on Monday whether to ease sanctions against Syria to allow for weapons shipments to rebels fighting the regime of Syria's President Bashar Assad. (AP Photo/Yves Logghe)
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FILE - In this Saturday, May 25, 2013 file photo, Republican Sen. John McCain speaks at a news conference at the World Economic Forum, held at the King Hussein Bin Talal Convention center, in Southern Shuneh, 34 miles (55 kilometers) southeast of Amman, Jordan. McCain has quietly slipped into Syria for a meeting with Syrian rebels, spokeswoman Rachael Dean confirmed Monday, May 27, 2013. She declined further comment about the trip. The visit took place amid meetings in Paris involving efforts to secure participation of Syria's fractured opposition in an international peace conference in Geneva. (AP Photo/Mohammad Hannon, File)
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In this photo released on Sunday, May 26, 2013, by the Syrian official news agency SANA, Syrian forces loyal to Syrian President Bashar Assad take their position during clashes against Syrian rebels, in Aleppo, Syria. Syria's Information Ministry says rebels have killed a TV correspondent who was covering clashes near the border with Lebanon. (AP Photo/SANA)
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In this photo released on Sunday May 26, 2013, by the Syrian official news agency SANA, Syrian forces loyal to Syrian President Bashar Assad run to take their position during clashes against Syrian rebels, in Aleppo, Syria. Syria's Information Ministry says rebels have killed a TV correspondent who was covering clashes near the border with Lebanon. (AP Photo/SANA)

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BRUSSELS (AP) — The European Union said its member states within days will be able to send weapons to help Syria's outgunned rebels, seeking to pressure President Bashar Assad's regime ahead of planned peace talks mediated by the United States and Russia.

Though no EU country has any such plans now to send arms, British Foreign Secretary William Hague said the decision "sends a very strong message from Europe to the Assad regime." He spoke after an all-day meeting of foreign ministers Monday that laid bare EU hesitation on feeding arms in a foreign conflict only months after the 27-member bloc won the Nobel Peace Prize.

"It is extremely important not to do anything to rock the boat. Start delivering weapons now would rock the boat. No one is intending to do that," Swedish Foreign Minister Carl Bildt said.

But in a bid to force Syria to participate in good faith at the prospective "Geneva II" talks next month, the meeting in Brussels dangled the option of sending in weapons and military equipment as soon as Saturday, when the current sanctions regime ends.

The prospect of EU weapons for the rebels, while maintaining stiff economic sanctions against Assad's regime, also sends a message to Russia. Moscow has unabashedly sent weapons to Assad's regime — and EU arms deliveries could partially re-balance the civil war when it comes to firepower.

Several EU ministers said arming the opposition would create a more level playing field that could force Assad into a negotiated settlement.

Britain and France — the EU's biggest military powers — had been pushing the bloc to lift its embargo on delivery of weapons into Syria to help the embattled opposition. But Austria, which has sent peacekeepers to the Golan Heights between Syria and Israel, was vocally opposed — one of several EU countries that argued that the region is already awash in weapons.

EU countries will individually examine their export license applications one by one and will not proceed "at this stage" with deliveries of military equipment, the joint declaration said, though it did not specify when that might change.

EU ministers agreed to revisit the issue before Aug. 1, but countries, based on previous EU guidelines, can now decide for themselves whether they want to arm the rebels.

The EU nations also agreed everything possible should be done to control any exports and make sure they do not fall into the hands of extremists or terrorists — one of the thorniest issues for France and Britain in their calls to arm the rebels. Each country will require "adequate safeguards against misuse of authorizations (for export) granted," the EU text said.

Hague said Britain would only send in weapons "in company with other nations, in carefully controlled circumstances, and in compliance with international law."

French Foreign Minister Laurent Fabius left the talks earlier Monday to return to Paris to meet with U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry and Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov, who are leading the effort to bring the two warring Syrian sides to the negotiating table.

Assad's government has agreed in principle to participate in peace talks in Geneva, but the exact date, agenda and participants still remain unclear.

In Paris, officials traveling with U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry had no comment on the EU arms decision.

A State Department official also said the department was aware of Sen. John McCain, a proponent of arming Syrian rebels, crossing into Syrian territory on Monday. Further questions were referred to McCain's office, which confirmed the unannounced trip but gave no details.

McCain met with anti-government fighters in Syria. The fierce critic of Obama administration policy in Syria has stopped short of backing U.S. ground troops there.

France added urgency to the EU arms debate Monday, with Fabius pointing to increasing signs that chemical weapons were being used in the conflict.

The EU nations have been steadfast opponents of Assad in the war and have steadily increased restrictive measures against his regime, including visa restrictions and economic sanctions. In February, the bloc amended the arms embargo to allow for non-lethal equipment and medicine to protect Syrian civilians. All those measures had been set to expire on May 31, but nearly all of the sanctions, including restrictions on exports and imports, visas, and funding for some Syrian companies, were extended for a year.

Washington has been reluctant to provide rebels with more sophisticated weapons for fear they might end up in the hands of the radical Islamic factions, including the al-Qaida-affiliated Jabhat al-Nusra, a group that has been the most effective fighting force on the opposition side.

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Associated Press writer Bradley Klapper in Paris contributed to this report.

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/eu-foreign-ministers-seek-solution-syria-arms


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Hezbollah support firm in face of attacks
Supporters rally behind Shia movement following attacks.


Al-Qasr, Lebanon - Within hours of two Grad rockets smashing into the Beirut neighbourhood of Shiyah, residents rallied behind Hezbollah, saying the Shia movement is working to protect not just their community, but the country as a whole.

Another three rockets from Syria slammed later on Sunday into the northern Lebanese area of Hermel in the Bekaa Valley, along the porous border with Syria.

"We are not worried, and we are not afraid," Mohammad, a computer businessman and resident of Shiyah, told Al Jazeera, asking that his surname not be used. "We will not hide behind our finger. This is an open battle, it is global, and the resistance and its [Hezbollah] leadership will protect us."

The rocket fire on Shiyah, a predominantly Shia neighbourhood located on the periphery of Beirut's southern suburbs, a Hezbollah stronghold, are the first such attacks on the capital since the uprising began in Syria two years ago. Four people were wounded, three of whom were Syrian nationals.

The Free Syrian Army has been threatening to attack us, so we expect these attacks, and more ... The resistance is fighting in Syria to prevent the battle from moving to Lebanon.

Mohammad, resident of attacked Beirut neighhourhood

The rockets came a day after Hassan Nasrallah, leader of Hezbollah, gave a speech to commemorate the liberation of the south from Israeli occupation in 2000. In his speech he defended Hezbollah's involvement in the Syrian conflict, saying, "You can take any side you want, but Hezbollah cannot be on the side of America and Israel, or with those who dig up graves, open chests, and behead other people."

No one has claimed responsibility for the rocket attacks. Rebels affiliated with the Free Syrian Army - angered by Hezbollah's involvement in the conflict on the side of the Syrian army - have issued numerous warnings against the group, threatening to hit their strongholds in Beirut, the south, and in the Bekaa.

Syrian opposition members and rebels have long accused Hezbollah of involvement in the conflict alongside the Syrian army, especially in the recent fierce battles to gain control of the city of Qusayr, which is seen by both sides as strategic.

"The Free Syrian Army has been threatening to attack us, so we expect these attacks, and more," Mohammad said.

"The resistance is fighting in Syria to prevent the battle from moving to Lebanon, and the supporters of the resistance know this," he said. "Anyone who watches the videos of executions and eating hearts will know that Hezbollah is doing the right thing."

'Intersecting lands'

While the Shiyah attacks are the first on the Lebanese capital since the Syrian conflict started, they were not the first on the country.

Lebanon's Hermel area, which shares a border with the suburbs of Qusayr, has fallen victim to numerous rocket attacks by Syria's rebels who claim to be targeting Hezbollah bases.

Residents and officials say, however, many of the these strikes have hit schools, farms, and residential areas, resulting in civilian fatalities and casualties.

For residents of these border villages, the presence of Hezbollah in Syria's Qusayr suburbs and elsewhere along the frontier allows them "to sleep better at night".

"I want Hezbollah to protect me. They are defending me, my children, our people," Abu Ghalib al-Jamal, a resident of the Lebanese border village Qasr, told Al Jazeera. "Right now Sayed Hassan [Nasrallah] is the only one who hears us.
The scene where two rockets hit Beirut on May 26 [Reuters]

"My farm has been hit from the shells of the armed gangs in Syria, and not one member of the Lebanese authorities has even come to inspect the damages," he said.

The area between Hermel and Qusayr, considered "intersecting lands" by Lebanese and Syrians, is said to be home to at least 30,000 Lebanese who have been living there for decades.

"Lebanese have been living in the border areas since before the Sykes-Picot agreement," Sobhi Saqr, the mayor of Hermel, told Al Jazeera, referring to the secret deal between Britain and France in 1916 to carve up the Middle East between them.

"There are people within these areas who have political affiliations to Hezbollah and its allies," Sobhi continued. "The shells coming in from the armed opposition are to try and create tension between residents and Hezbollah."

Historically neglected by the Lebanese state, Hermel has a strong Hezbollah presence, as the province benefited greatly from infrastructure and social welfare installed by the group, garnering overwhelming electoral support from its residents.

"Nasrallah said the Lebanese villages cannot be touched, and this makes me feel protected. As long as the Lebanese authorities are doing nothing, the resistance is who I rely on to protect me," said Abu Ghalib.

Funerals and fighters

While Hezbollah's role in Syria is undisputedly strategic; it is protecting its own weapons supply route within Syria, and defending the Syrian regime whom it considers to be a vital ally in the resistance axis against Israel, there is also a sense of obligation to its supporters to ensure their safety and protection.

According to Hasan Ileik, a journalist with the Lebanese daily Al Akhbar who has been following developments closely, Hezbollah's military involvement in Syria began at the end of September 2012, following increased attacks said to be carried out by the Syrian opposition in the Shia village of Haydariyeh, which is within the "intersecting lands".

'"They began by sending the people of the villages in the area weapons and training," and within a few weeks they began going in to fight, Ileik told Al Jazeera.

For the Syrian opposition, claims of how many Hezbollah fighters are currently in Qusayr range between hundreds to tens of thousands.
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In-depth coverage of escalating violence across Syria

According to Ileik, however, Hezbollah's presence is "less than 500 fighters in Qusayr".

"On the borders there is definitely more pressure on the group to be involved because the residents are facing daily attacks," Ileik said. "You have families on both sides of the border pressuring Hezbollah to fight with them and to defend them."

And as more coffins come back carrying fallen Hezbollah fighters from Syria, the sign-up sheet to go fight is filling out more quickly.

"The more martyrs coming in from Syria, the more fighters are wanting to go," said Ileik. "Some people are asking for more training in order to be ready for the coming months."

For Ileik, the reason behind this support is much more focused on the bigger picture. "The people are not backing Hezbollah because of something related to this moment, but rather related to a big political ideology involving the region as a whole."

Losing support?

Yet others consider Hezbollah's deepening involvement in Syria detrimental to its supporters, resulting in a shrinking base as Shia Lebanese struggle with the image forced upon them because of the association - real or perceived - with the group.

"Now, when you are a Shia from Lebanon you are tarnished as being a supporter for Hezbollah," Sami Nader, a professor at the University of Saint Joseph and a Middle East analyst, told Al Jazeera.
Hezbollah leader Hassan Nasrallah

"Today they are under pressure from the international financial industry so it is much harder for them to do transactions and open back accounts, it is much harder for them to get a job abroad, especially in the Gulf, and generally they are perceived by many as terrorists," he said. "This is clearly a problem for the community."

For Nader, the mass support the group once garnered across the region no longer exists today as a result of their alliance with the Syrian regime, and even its hardcore base of supporters is dwindling.

"The supporters that are still with them are doing so because they don't have any other choice. This is the minority complex living in fear," he said. "There is a message from the Arab community that the Shias are not welcome anymore."

And as the attacks on their community specifically and on Lebanon in general continue, "you will witness Hezbollah support shrinking".


Ileik disagreed, however, pointing out support for Hezbollah will remain because its supporters - including family members who are "supplying the fighters" - stand behind the group as "they know the fight in Syria would be better for Lebanon, and for them, in the long term".

For Shiyah resident Mohammad, such rocket attacks will not deter the group's support base, rather they will become increasingly resolute.

"This is a battle over the existence of the resistance."

http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/features/2013/05/2013526143718451718.html
 

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Just looking at the potential outcomes of a religious civil war between Muslims in the area. Syria started off as one thing but it is evolving rapidly. But since this is now hitting the MSM it pretty much means this has been going on for months now.


What are you referring to?


It'll more than likely push into Lebanon. The sectarian violence never ended since the fall of Saddam in Iraq. It's actually picked up the last year. This has all been a long time coming. This has more to do with religious differences than any American divide and conquer scheme. The majority of Muslims from Western Sahara to Pakistan do not like Iran and her proxies.
 

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Hezbollah is so dope!

They are like the Black Panthers of the Middle East!

GO HEZBOLLAH!!!
 

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A couple of you are repeating yourselves from previous threads??? or am I just late on the joke.
 

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What are you referring to?


It'll more than likely push into Lebanon. The sectarian violence never ended since the fall of Saddam in Iraq. It's actually picked up the last year. This has all been a long time coming. This has more to do with religious differences than any American divide and conquer scheme. The majority of Muslims from Western Sahara to Pakistan do not like Iran and her proxies.

Most Muslims ANYWHERE don't like Iran and her proxies... part of the reason for this Wahhabi extreme right wing resurgence in the Islamic world is part of a funded effort by the Saudi Gov... which is bad, but what's worse is Iran actually funding MILITANTS Shia or Sunni simply for the purpose of gaining influence. They fund Hamas and encourage them to do stupid things with Israel. They funded the Shia death squads to destabilize Iraq. They're funding and working with Syria's murderous gov to destabilize the region. And they funded the Northern Alliance and Warlords to cause many of the problems in Afghanistan. They are grade A dikkS
 

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There's a civil war going on in the "Muslim World" between Sunni and Shia, 2 major rival sects.

Syria, Iraq are the hotspots for the barbarity
 
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Most Muslims ANYWHERE don't like Iran and her proxies... Where are you getting your info from....cause that isn't even true.


part of the reason for this Wahhabi extreme right wing resurgence in the Islamic world is part of a funded effort by the Saudi Gov... This is the only group that doesn't like Iran.


which is bad, but what's worse is Iran actually funding MILITANTS Shia or Sunni simply for the purpose of gaining influence. Again where is your info coming from where Iran funds militant shia and sunni?


They fund Hamas and encourage them to do stupid things with Israel. Why would Iran fund Hamas when Israel created this group?

They funded the Shia death squads to destabilize Iraq Come man you are making shyt up as you go.

They're funding and working with Syria's murderous gov to destabilize the region. How does Syria destabilize a region? Who is bombing other countries in the region with Immunity? Showing true colors here b.


And they funded the Northern Alliance and Warlords to cause many of the problems in Afghanistan. They are grade A dikkS.

I know damn well you have no proof in this but I know damn well where you are getting your info from. Right-Wing Radio which of course doesn't even cite it's sources in anything dealing with Iran.


 
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