So Buff Bagwell might end up taking down the WWE Network

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Buff the Stuff sued WWE about a year ago for WWE Network royalties and Raven has since joined the lawsuit.

from the Observer this week:

There was a court ruling on WWE’s attempt to throw out the case Scott Levy (Raven) and Marcus Bagwell (Buff Bagwell) filed against WWE largely attempting to get residuals for appearances on the WWE Network. Bagwell’s contract is notable because when he was signed by WWF in 2001, it was to compete as part of a WCW brand and the contract called for talent to share five percent of the net receipts of all WCW PPV shows. They would also get five percent of net receipts of videotapes if they were the key person on the tape up to 150,000 units sold, or 10 percent if the total sales are greater than 150,000. WWE wanted the suit thrown out because the contracts in question were for WCW Inc., a branch of WWE, and they claim that company no longer exists. The plaintiffs argued that WWE owns WCW Inc. and Bagwell was getting royalties from WWE on his WCW work. WWE is now claiming the company of WCW Inc. Was the non-surviving corporation of a merger on August 30, 2011, or about a decade after WCW actually died, so that was probably a decision to create a legal merger and drop the company as a defense for future potential legal action. U.S. District Court Judge Janet Hall ruled on 5/5 that WCW Inc., can no longer be sued, but ruled WWE still could be. WWE claimed that performers aren’t entitled to royalties from the network because the network is not a direct sale, and that royalties are paid out on things where they are direct sales like DVDs or PPVs. They claim the WWE Network is not a video product within the meaning of video product in the wrestlers’ contracts. The court ruled there was ambiguity in both sides arguments and thus didn’t throw that out and ruled that the WWE’s arguments “are not persuasive.” She also ruled against WWE’s arguments that the WWE Network is not a video product. The court even suggested a potential royalties pattern for talent based on network views, suggesting the five percent of net that had prior been given for PPV royalties should become five percent of the WWE Network net to be divided in a formula based on total number of videos viewed per month on the network and royalties paid based on that. Hall said she was not calculating that is the correct royalty obligation, but just offered a method t show WWE arguing it would have to be thrown out because you couldn’t do it to be not convincing. The WWE tried to argue that because Bagwell was under contract to WCW, Inc. (WWE’s corporation set up for WCW) and not WWE, that they had mistakenly paid him royalties in the past as he was never under a WWE contracts. Essentially, the case, minus a few claims, is going forward. An ending ruling that talent is entitled to WWE Network royalties would be a big one and at this point WWE’s argument against that wasn’t persuasive enough to eliminate the case.



Buff bout to hit Jerry McDevitt with the Blockbuster? :ohhh:
 

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This might be interesting to see play out. Just paying off Raven and Buff at this point might not be a good idea, because it suggests that they have a case and invites future litigation. Although, here it looks like something about WCW contracts and WWFs liability for WCW shows on the Network rather than any Network content period.
 
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I think raven especially is thinking about the long con here. He has johnny polo, ecw raven, wcw raven and wwf raven, as well as some network stuff all to feed royales from.

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The court even suggested a potential royalties pattern for talent based on network views, suggesting the five percent of net that had prior been given for PPV royalties should become five percent of the WWE Network net to be divided in a formula based on total number of videos viewed per month on the network and royalties paid based on that.

Could literally be zero depending on how they allocate expenses on their p&l
 

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If the judge rules against WWE here the floodgates open for most anyone who has their shyt on the network
five percent of the WWE Network net to be divided in a formula based on total number of videos viewed per month on the network and royalties paid based on that.

You act like this would end WWE's business, they would just have to open their fukking pockets up and cut the check
 

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five percent of the WWE Network net to be divided in a formula based on total number of videos viewed per month on the network and royalties paid based on that.

You act like this would end WWE's business, they would just have to open their fukking pockets up and cut the check

The Network is one of their biggest revenue sources next to TV rights. So if they have to "open their fukking pockets and cut the check" at an amount that we have no clue about right now, to an amount of wrestlers we have no clue about, it could definitely have an impact. I bet a lot of wrestlers are waiting to see what happens with this before they move forward with their own lawsuits. Dudes probably didn't wanna be the first to do it and blackball themselves from the WWE family.
 

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The Network is one of their biggest revenue sources next to TV rights. So if they have to "open their fukking pockets and cut the check" at an amount that we have no clue about right now, to an amount of wrestlers we have no clue about, it could definitely have an impact. I bet a lot of wrestlers are waiting to see what happens with this before they move forward with their own lawsuits. Dudes probably didn't wanna be the first to do it and blackball themselves from the WWE family.
Do you not understand that they would be keeping the other 95% of the network revenue?:gucci:
 

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I think raven especially is thinking about the long con here. He has johnny polo, ecw raven, wcw raven and wwf raven, as well as some network stuff all to feed royales from.

This however



Could literally be zero depending on how they allocate expenses on their p&l

It seems like Bagwell's claim has something specific to the WCW contracts rather than wrestlers just being entitled to royalties by appearing on the network. I'm pretty sure they are entitled to royalties just by appearing on the network, but WWF contracts at least probably contracted that entitlement out. But then they may not've foreseen this type of service well enough in their early 2000s contracts, so who knows.

It's basically impossible to narrow down how much Buff Bagwell and Raven draw for the network in 2017. But there are a lot of methods you can use, and one of them is the views of shows that they're on, or ow much time they have on shows they're on. That could be a decent amount of money, I'm guessing the 97-99 Nitros and PPVS do big numbers.
 

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5 Interesting Things About Buff Bagwell WWE Lawsuit: Current Contracts, Royalties, Bagwell's WWE Run - WrestlingInc.com

^ Heres a good article explaining more

This sort of language began appearing in booking contracts around 2004 when the WWE launched the "WWE 24/7" service (later rechristened "WWE Classics on Demand"). Prior to that, such as in Brock Lesnar's 2003 contract, there was a much broader definition:



7.5 (a) (i) Royalties/Pay-Per-View Videos Sold By Licensees: PROMOTER shall allocate twenty-five percent (25%) of the Net Receipts paid to PROMOTER by Licensees authorized to reproduce and sell video cassettes, videodisc, CD ROM, or other technology, including technology not yet created (hereinafter referred to as "WWE Video Products"), of WWE pay-per-views in their entirety ("WWE Pay-Per-Views") to a talent royalty pool…

That is why on the second try, they found another lead plaintiff (Bagwell) who only worked for WWE prior to 2004





After watching Buff's shoot from last year, I'm pretty sure this is to fukk with WWE as much as anything. As delusional as he is in some ways, I don't think he's wrong that they sabotaged him. There's no way you just fire someone who was already over, and had been over big a few years earlier, just off one bad match. Same with the mother thing, no way they just fire him for that. He literally only had the one televised match in WWE.
 

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Do you not understand that they would be keeping the other 95% of the network revenue?:gucci:


Do you not understand that the 5% was just a hypothetical suggestion that the Judge threw out to counter WWE's claim that there's no way to generate a royalty formula? :gucci:

5% for an undisclosed amount of wrestlers will add up.. and Network profits were already down this quarter. That shyt happens and you might kiss that $9.99 price goodbye :ufdup:
 

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Do you not understand that the 5% was just a hypothetical suggestion that the Judge threw out to counter WWE's claim that there's no way to generate a royalty formula? :gucci:

5% for an undisclosed amount of wrestlers will add up.. and Network profits were already down this quarter. That shyt happens and you might kiss that $9.99 price goodbye :ufdup:
Ok breh, i'll enjoy it until then
 

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5 Interesting Things About Buff Bagwell WWE Lawsuit: Current Contracts, Royalties, Bagwell's WWE Run - WrestlingInc.com

^ Heres a good article explaining more

This sort of language began appearing in booking contracts around 2004 when the WWE launched the "WWE 24/7" service (later rechristened "WWE Classics on Demand"). Prior to that, such as in Brock Lesnar's 2003 contract, there was a much broader definition:

Buff's was similar:





- The definition of WCW Video Products under Section 7.5 (a)(1) is: “video cassettes, videodiscs, CD ROM, or other technology, including technology not yet created.

- "WCW Video Products includes streaming videos on the World Wrestling Entertainment Network (“WWE Network”), because under Section 7.5 (a)(1), streaming the WWE Network is “ other technology and/or technology not yet created ” at the time Plaintiff signed the June 4, 2001 Booking Contract."
 
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