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Budget was 8.5 million 
Now it's sitting at 15 million
According to box office Mojo website.
Now it's sitting at 15 million
According to box office Mojo website.
So Birth of a Nation is sitting at $15 million after 4 weeks :ohlawd:
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It would have hit 20 if they didn't drop it from theatres.
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fukk Fox."B..b..b..but it was bought by fox for 15 million"
Nate got his money and profit already
Overseas and home entertainment will end up turning a profit for Fox
AquaCityBoy
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Why do we care about this bedbuck and his c00n guilt film 
I wonder what countries this is dropping at overseas? Idk how that stuff works for non blockbusters
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Yup
This is what I was thinking
steadyrighteous
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"B..b..b..but it was bought by fox for 15 million"
fukk Fox.
Nate got his money and profit already
I mean not really.
He made it clear on The Breakfast Club that he had to give away most of the equity in the movie to it's initial investors to get them to give invest.
ie. I give you $500,000, so I want 5-10% of the backend.
Multiply that by the amount of investors, means he probably at most kept 10-15% max of the backend/profit for himself.
Plus P&A (print and advertising) isn't worked into the budget of a movie or listed for public view, so after the initial $17.5 Fox Searchlight paid for it, you'd probably have to add another $5 mill minimum for ads etc.
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I know that but his investors got the money that they were owes and he said it tripled
Still a success for him
steadyrighteous
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Yeah, I'm not tryna take away from his success - to get a movie made and out is a hard thing, so I applaud his success.
But in a business where you can make a movie for $100,000 and gross $43 million, $15 mill on a $7 mill budget isn't nearly enough to cheer about really. Definitely not enough to get more movies in a similar vein made or to get him popping as a director/actor. I guarantee when he sits in meetings with Fox, they tell him his movie isn't the the black and is still in the red if they factor in what they paid for advertising (numbers which they probably wouldn't' even tell Nate Parker)
This could have and should have done so much better.
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I'm just saying it's doing way better than the initial projections made it seem it nearly doubled its budget and the first week and everyone said it was a flop and it wouldn't even go this far
steadyrighteous
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I guess, but I think the overall point I'm trying to make is doubling your budget isn't the success that most people would think.
Like I said, it probably cost them $5 mill + for advertising alone, so add that to the original $7 mill, means the $15 million it's grossed so far is only a $3 million dollar profit. And that's being safe. Just to give you an example, that movie Get Hard with Kevin Hart spent $44.5 million on TV advertising alone. Clearly Birth of a Nation didn't have that budget for advertising, but it's just to give you an example of what it really costs to make a movie, besides the production budget that we see on Wikipedia.
$3 mill is a lot of money for regular people, but in the movie making business some studios would pay a director $3 mill to leave half way through a production for fukking up.
It needed to make closer to $40 for people to sit up an pay attention.
Flop is a strong word, and probably inaccurate, but I'm sure besides being happy that the movie is out, Nate Parker isn't super happy with the numbers at all.
Yeah I don't think you understand.
It's a flop.
Fox bought it for what 16 million? now let's say they only spent 5 million on marketing.
Around 21 million in costs.
Movie theatres take half the gross.
So it making 18 million = about 9 million going to the studio.
The film has lost money at this point.
It's a flop.
Fox bought it for what 16 million? now let's say they only spent 5 million on marketing.
Around 21 million in costs.
Movie theatres take half the gross.
So it making 18 million = about 9 million going to the studio.
The film has lost money at this point.