Sittin Sideways, Lying on the stage: Live from Houston the CNN GOP Debate at 8:30PM

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On a related note, I've had two coworkers say that they are voting for Trump. :mjpls: and one who said he voted for Kaischn only because of his stance on abortion.
 

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So Milquetoast Money Mitt wasn't able to maneuver hisself to the middle after his mediocre mud wrestles in the primary. And yet the two hizzoners the junior senators from Texas and Florida will somehow turn presidential after going in the gutter with #TrumpSet.

Republicans are seriously demented.
 

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Rubio could deliver his hits better , he just rattles them off at the same time and then mellows in the second half. It will come down to the Electoral College and the GOP are at a significant disadvantage from where they are starting. They have a bunch of small states but they are losing bigger and important ones. Hillary does not have an effective defense when she is attacked from the left but they have been battling the right for a long time that it would make the debates different. If the general election debate is anything like what happened last night I don't think it will do enough to switch votes.
 

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Trump: Planned Parenthood Helps Millions Of Women And I Would Defund It

BY ALAN PYKE FEB 25, 2016 10:46 PM

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The GOP frontrunner, flanked by his primary opponents at Thursday's GOP debate in Houston, TX

When Thursday’s GOP presidential debate turned to women’s health care, Donald Trump promised to defund Planned Parenthood — but only after acknowledging the group’s essential role in providing health care to “millions of women” nationwide.

“Millions and millions of women — cervical cancer, breast cancer — are helped by Planned Parenthood. So you can say whatever you want, but they have millions of women going through Planned Parenthood that are helped greatly,” Trump said. “And I wouldn’t fund it.”

The frontrunner was responding to Sen. Marco Rubio’s (R-FL) assertion that he cannot be trusted to nominate truly conservative Supreme Court justices. Rubio specifically invoked Trump’s past comments in support of the women’s health non-profit, which has faced elaborate and falseattacks from the right-wing media infrastructure throughout this election season.

Trump’s odd syncopation of the idea that Planned Parenthood provides essential services to millions of people and that it should be cut off from a key source of funding was not a one-off. His answer flipped repeatedly between praising the organization and promising to doom its budgets.

“I would defund it because of the abortion factor, which they say is 3 percent. I don’t know what percentage it is. They say it’s 3 percent,” Trump went on. “But I would defund it, because I’m pro-life. But millions of women are helped by Planned Parenthood.”





In the context of the GOP primary, where smears of the non-profit as seeking to sell baby parts for cash have routinely been treated as factual, Trump’s repeated acknowledgments of the real nature of Planned Parenthood’s work are unusual and noteworthy.

The group does indeed deliver essential screening and treatment services to millions of women — many of whom would not have any access to such services if their local Planned Parenthood shut down. From October 2012 to September 2013 alone, Planned Parenthood performed about 900,000 pap smears and breast cancer screenings, 3.5 million birth control consultations, and 4.5 million appointments to test for or treat sexually transmitted infections. Abortion services were just 3 percent of the 10.6 million services Planned Parenthood provided that year, according to its annual report.

That suggests the group provided abortion services about 318,000 times for the year. Pro-life zealots cling to such figures, carefully denuded of the full context of Planned Parenthood’s work, to paint the group as an abortion behemoth. Trump’s refusal to climb into that gutter fully makes him exceptional within the modern Republican party.

Of course, pledging to block all federal funding for Planned Parenthood jumps him right back into the GOP’s radically conservative mainstream. It doesn’t make much sense to simultaneously insist that people reckon with Planned Parenthood’s full spectrum of services and pledge to strip funding from those very same services, of course, but undermining the group is almost mandatory for GOP politicians today. Even Gov. John Kasich (R-OH), the closest thing to a moderate Republican left in the race, has signed off on gutting the group’s budget.

In addition to the legislative and rhetorical assaults on the group over the past year, anti-choice purists have brought confrontation to Planned Parenthood’s doorstep. At least one facility was set ablaze in the fall in response to a right-wing smear campaign that ultimately led to criminal charges against the smear artists. Multiple others have seen suspicious fires, and a Colorado Springs clinic was fatally attacked by a gunman in November who later invoked the false fetal tissue sales claims to explain his motivation.

But the primary mode of attack on Planned Parenthood will likely always be through the law.Multiple states have used carefully tailored legislation to effectively shut down clinics and chip away at women’s access to both abortions and the vastly more common health care services that Trump cited.

The end effect has been to leave women’s legal right to control of their own wombs intact on paper, while reducing their practical ability to exercise that right so dramatically that reproductive health care services may simply be out of reach for millions of Americans.

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Rubio Clashes With Trump Over Who Is More Robotic

BY RYAN KORONOWSKI FEB 25, 2016 11:11 PM

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From left, Republican presidential candidate, Sen. Marco Rubio, R-Fla., Republican presidential candidate, businessman Donald Trump and Republican presidential candidate, Sen. Ted Cruz, R-Texas, speak and gesture during a Republican presidential primary debate at The University of Houston, Thursday, Feb. 25, 2016, in Houston.

After suffering endless political attacks from both sides of the aisle over his repetition of talking points during speeches and debates, GOP presidential candidate Marco Rubio accused frontrunner Donald Trump of doing the same thing in Thursday night’s volatile Republican presidential primary debate.

“He says five things,” Rubio said after accusing Trump of repeating himself in explaining his health care plan. “Everyone’s dumb. He’s going to make America great again. Win, win, win. He’s winning in the polls. And the lines around the states. Every night. Same thing.”

During a GOP debate last month, Rubio repeated a canned line about how President Obama “knows exactly what he’s doing,” and Gov. Chris Christie (R-NJ) effectively attacked him over the “memorized 25-second speech.” Rubio followed this performance with subsequent repetitions, and was then ridiculed so much for being robotic that Rubio himself blamed the debate performance for his poor showing in the New Hampshire primary.

On Thursday night, Rubio was under pressure to hit back at Trump, who appeared to have a clear path to the nomination following his wins in New Hampshire, Nevada, and South Carolina. After nearly an hour in which Rubio and fellow candidate Ted Cruz attacked Trump over hiring illegal immigrants, running a failed university, and his stated desire to make deals in Washington, the subject turned to health care.

Trump advocated eliminating interstate health insurance restrictions and Rubio explained his plan before saying “you may not be aware of this Donald, because you don’t follow this stuff very closely.” He then asked Trump for more about his plan than the elimination of interstate insurance restrictions.





“You don’t know what it means,” Trump said. “That is the problem.”

“What is your plan?” Rubio asked again

“The biggest problem, he doesn’t know,” Trump said. “The biggest problem he’s got is he doesn’t know.”

Rubio again asked for Trump’s plan.

“I watched him melt down two weeks ago with Chris Christie,” Trump interjected. “I’ve got to tell you, the biggest problem he’s got is he really don’t know about the lines. The biggest thing we’ve got and the reason we have no competition is because we have lines around the state and you have –”

“Already mentioned that as part of my plan,” Rubio cut in. “I know what that is. What else is part of your plan? The only thing is to get rid of the lines around the states? What else is part of your health care plan?”

It was a good question, as reforming the health care system to allow insurers to sell coverage across state lines is ineffective, and an old, stale proposal emblematic of how the current GOP field’s health care plans are the same as they were in 2008.

Trump again attempted to explain what the “lines around the states” meant. Rubio again asked for Trump’s plan.

“When you get rid of the lines, it brings in competition,” Trump said. “So instead of having one insurance company taking care of New York or Texas, you’ll have many. They’ll compete, and it will be a beautiful thing.”

“Right and what — so that’s the only part of the plan?” Rubio asked. “Just the lines. The interstate competition?”

“The nice part about — you have many different plans,” Trump said. “You’ll have competition. You’ll have so many different plans.”

Rubio took a chance.

RUBIO: Now he’s repeating himself.

TRUMP: No, I’m not — no, no, no, no. I don’t repeat myself. I don’t repeat myself.

RUBIO: You don’t repeat yourself?

TRUMP: Here’s the guy who repeats himself.

RUBIO: I don’t — you repeat yourself every day.

TRUMP: Talking about repeating. I watched him repeat himself five times four weeks ago —

RUBIO: I saw you repeat yourself five times four seconds ago.

TRUMP: I watched him. I watched him melt down on the stage like I’ve never seen anybody — I thought he came out of a swimming pool.

RUBIO: He says five things. Everyone’s dumb. He’s going to make America great again. Win, win, win. He’s winning in the polls. And the lines around the states. Every night. Same thing.

TRUMP: I tell the truth. I tell the truth.

MODERATOR: You will have time to respond, if you can just let Mr. Trump respond. If you can talk a little bit more about your plan.

TRUMP: We’re going to have many different plans —

RUBIO: He’s done it again!

Applause.

“There’s going to be competition,” Trump concluded. “There is going to be competition among all of the states and the insurance companies. They’re going to have many, many different plans.”

Bash asked Trump if there was anything else he would like to add to that. Trump said “no, there’s nothing to add. What’s to add? What is to add?”

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Ted Cruz Attacked Donald Trump for Not Wanting to Let People “Die on the Streets”
By Ben Mathis-Lilley

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Donald Trump and Ted Cruz at Thursday's Republican debate in Houston.

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During last night's Republican debate, Ted Cruz—trying to play up his credentials as a hard-line conservative—pressed Donald Trump on his past claim that he would not allow people to "die on the streets" as president for lack of health insurance. In particular, Cruz wanted to know whether the dreaded government would have some role in picking sick people up off the streets so that they don't die:

CRUZ: Did you say, if you want people to die on the streets if you don't support socialized health care, you have no heart.
TRUMP: Correct. I will not let people die on the streets—let me talk.
CRUZ: Explain your plan, please.
TRUMP: My plan is simple. We'll have private health care, but I will not allow people to die on the sidewalks and the streets of our country if I'm president. You may let it, and you may be fine with it—
CRUZ: So does the government pay for everyone's health care?
TRUMP: We are going—
CRUZ: Yes or no.
TRUMP: Excuse me. We are going to take those people and those people are going to be serviced by doctors and hospitals. We're going to make great deals on it, but we're not going to let them die in the streets.
CRUZ: Who pays for it?
What's illustrative about this exchange is that Cruz keeps implying that no private insurance or health care provider wants to take care of someone with so little money that they're otherwise about to expire on the street. Which is probably true! It does seem unfair to demand that a private, for-profit business in a competitive market spend its resources on customers who will not be able to pay for the services they're receiving. Which is why most Americans generally support the idea that the government should step in to cover costs in these kinds of situations—that there are things in life (health care, school, being able to retire before you fall over at the assembly line and die) that every person in a prosperous society should have access to regardless of their individual level of wealth. But this is the primary of a Republican Party that's been getting more and more extreme for decades to the point that the idea of the government doing anythingbesides building tanks is considered rank communist treason. And thus it seems almost natural, in this paradigm, for a candidate to think he's really nailed his opponent by pointing out that he doesn't want to let sick people pass out and die on the sidewalk because they can't afford their hospital bills.

Ted Cruz Attacked Donald Trump for Not Wanting to Let People “Die on the Streets”


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Rubio’s New ‘Con Artist’ Attack On Trump Could Put Him In A Very Awkward Position
BY AARON RUPAR FEB 26, 2016 11:58 AM

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Republican presidential candidates Sen. Marco Rubio, R-Fla. and businessman Donald Trump listen to the national anthem during the Republican Presidential Primary Debate at the University of Houston Thursday, Feb. 25, 2016.

While making the morning TV news rounds Friday, Republican presidential hopeful Marco Rubio attempted to capitalize on whatever momentum he may have generated during Thursday’s debateby repeatedly deploying a vicious attack against Donald Trump’s character.

“A con artist is about to take over the conservative movement and the Republican Party, and we have to put a stop to it,” Rubio said on CBS’ This Morning. “He is wholly unprepared to be president of the United States.”

Rubio used the “con artist” line again on NBC’s Today.

“I mean, this is unreal. Again, this guy is a con artist,” Rubio said. “He’s always making things up. No one holds him accountable for it.”

And again on ABC’s Good Morning America: “I think it’s important for people to understand they have a choice to make. Look, if this pattern continues, the conservative movement in the Republican Party will be taken over by a con artist portraying himself as the fighter of the ordinary person fighting for the working man — but he’s spent years sticking it to the working people.”

Rubio used the line again Friday while campaigning in Texas, and again later on Twitter:





A “con artist” is defined as a person who cheats or tricks others by persuading them to believe something that isn’t true. That’s certainly not the type of thing you’d associate with a quality human being, let alone a man vying for arguably the most important job in the world.

But with this new line of attack, Rubio could potentially be putting himself in an awkward spot, because at the first GOP presidential debate in August, he, along with all the other candidates not named Donald, pledged to “support” whoever ends up being the nominee.





Now, in order to keep his promise to his party, it appears quite likely Rubio will have to back a candidate he has publicly accused of being a con man.

Trump’s popularity is starting to win him some fans among mainstream Republicans, however. For instance, this week, GOP Reps. Duncan Hunter of California and Chris Collins of New York became the first two members of Congress to endorse Trump. Meanwhile, Politico reports that Republican National Committee chairman Reince Priebus is telling people he thinks the RNC will be able to work more closely with Trump during a general election campaign because his organization has access to the tools he’ll need to win, such as voter data and media operations.

Trump’s response to Rubio’s attacks suggest he doesn’t much care about getting the Florida Senator’s support:







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I listen to Rush after a debate to see how he spins shyt and lol, some old lady called in and made him leeeeeean back. She said Rush knew Trump best, and he need to expose that he hired illegal immigrants at one time to work for him and that the world was laughing at their candidates. Straight begged Rush to expose Trump.

Rush instead went on about how debates are looked at nowaday compared to the past. That insults are necessary because we living in a soundbyte era. Which is precisely why Rush is dikk riding Trump. If this was any other candidate not named Trump, Rush woulda been put that out already.

Rush said Rubio was "making fun of" and "mocking" Trump. Nice choice of words there. So its only cool if Trump does it right fakkit, lol. :umad:
 
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