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If you don’t know to build muscle in the first place what you think switching to body weight only training going to do for you. You gotta eat breh and rest.

1) ^These. :salute:


2) Most of the coli is absolutely clueless when it comes to training. This thread should be in The Gym but the outcome will likely be the same. Case in point, it's some non-aesthetic weak fukks in here chiming in like they're about that life.
:dahell:


3) Most of these calis brehs are not that strong outside of isometric strength, and while some are ripped, most are on DYEL status, especially with a shirt on.
:unimpressed:



4) I'd ask you to post your weightlifting routine, but if lifting is boring and it's not getting you closer to your goals, there's really no point in continuing. Either way, you're either not lifting right and/or not eating enough if this has been your results.


Might as well switch to only calis, clear out of the way for real lifters, continue to spin your wheels and still not put on any size. :francis:

You’re not eating enough
I used to have this problem and I wasn’t eating enough

I have muscle

It's just that whenever I try to bulk, so much of it ends up being fat, and whenever I lose weight, shyt just ain't working after a certain point

So I just look some type

I'm basically thinking of adding calisthenics on off days.


It's weird too though, because I've seen others transform their bodies by working out everyday
 

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I have muscle

It's just that whenever I try to bulk, so much of it ends up being fat, and whenever I lose weight, shyt just ain't working after a certain point

So I just look some type

I'm basically thinking of adding calisthenics on off days.


It's weird too though, because I've seen others transform their bodies by working out everyday

Do you do cardio?
 

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I have muscle

It's just that whenever I try to bulk, so much of it ends up being fat, and whenever I lose weight, shyt just ain't working after a certain point

So I just look some type

I'm basically thinking of adding calisthenics on off days.


It's weird too though, because I've seen others transform their bodies by working out everyday

*** PLEASE DON'T TAKE THE FOLLOWING AS A PERSONAL SHOT AT YOU ***


If you're lifting and bulking and "so much of it ends up being fat", you're not eating and/or lifting right. Either eating too many cals, not lifting enough weight/volume-wise, your macros are way off, something. I'm not sure how this is even debatable? :dwillhuh:


I usually work out (lift) six day a week on average, and I have the opposite problem: I have problems putting on weight, even when my diet stays dirty. That tells me I'm still not eating enough if the scale's not moving.
:comeon:


Weights always work if you do them right. If you hit a plateau, something is no longer "right": one or more of your exercise selection, intensity, periodization, frequency, recovery, etc. needs to be fixed/manipulated. Ain't no damn participation trophies in this fitness shyt. If you were paying the iron price you wouldn't have these problems.
:beli:


Folks literally ride my nuts (:dame:) every week, at least once a week, just off the regular lifting alone: random dudes commenting how I'm always in the gym; gym owner or IFBB pro-sized dude telling me my lifts are impressive; people stopping to watch a single, whatever. I stay lifting focusing on heavy compounds, continually manipulating intensity/volume/frequency, etc. I don't even train for fat loss and I'm leaner than a lot of folks that do. If I actually dialed in my diet I'd prolly be even more beastly.
:what:


What I don't do is: take extended breaks from training; major in the minors (i.e. focus on bullshyt isolation exercises or do most of my compounds on machines); skip legs, etc.


As much as some folks on "plate-watching", that shyt is actually a great litmus test in the gym. If I'm lifting weights/showing up less often/working out less/having shyttier form or whatever than the majority of these other folks I be seeing, I know I'm doing something wrong. That never happens.
:ehh:


Notice that the strongest dudes in their respective gyms don't really make threads like "the weights stopped working! :damn:". Nah B, you're routine and/or diet is fukked.

Simple as that IMO. :yeshrug:
 

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*** PLEASE DON'T TAKE THE FOLLOWING AS A PERSONAL SHOT AT YOU ***


If you're lifting and bulking and "so much of it ends up being fat", you're not eating and/or lifting right. Either eating too many cals, not lifting enough weight/volume-wise, your macros are way off, something. I'm not sure how this is even debatable? :dwillhuh:


I usually work out (lift) six day a week on average, and I have the opposite problem: I have problems putting on weight, even when my diet stays dirty. That tells me I'm still not eating enough if the scale's not moving.
:comeon:


Weights always work if you do them right. If you hit a plateau, something is no longer "right": one or more of your exercise selection, intensity, periodization, frequency, recovery, etc. needs to be fixed/manipulated. Ain't no damn participation trophies in this fitness shyt. If you were paying the iron price you wouldn't have these problems.
:beli:


Folks literally ride my nuts (:dame:) every week, at least once a week, just off the regular lifting alone: random dudes commenting how I'm always in the gym; gym owner or IFBB pro-sized dude telling me my lifts are impressive; people stopping to watch a single, whatever. I stay lifting focusing on heavy compounds, continually manipulating intensity/volume/frequency, etc. I don't even train for fat loss and I'm leaner than a lot of folks that do. If I actually dialed in my diet I'd prolly be even more beastly.
:what:


What I don't do is: take extended breaks from training; major in the minors (i.e. focus on bullshyt isolation exercises or do most of my compounds on machines); skip legs, etc.


As much as some folks on "plate-watching", that shyt is actually a great litmus test in the gym. If I'm lifting weights/showing up less often/working out less/having shyttier form or whatever than the majority of these other folks I be seeing, I know I'm doing something wrong. That never happens.
:ehh:


Notice that the strongest dudes in their respective gyms don't really make threads like "the weights stopped working! :damn:". Nah B, you're routine and/or diet is fukked.

Simple as that IMO. :yeshrug:
What your spotters doing breh:mjtf::dame:
 

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What your spotters doing breh:mjtf::dame:

What "spotters"? :dwillhuh: Those just be random folks somewhere in the gym that be watching me lift things up and put them down. :yeshrug:

Start going over certain weight thresholds and folks will talk to you about it. :mjlol:
 

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What "spotters"? :dwillhuh: Those just be random folks somewhere in the gym that be watching me lift things up and put them down. :yeshrug:

Start going over certain weight thresholds and folks will talk to you about it. :mjlol:
You came in here to brag and not help. Damn nikka nobody wants your useless $.02:mjlol:. Go on
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*** PLEASE DON'T TAKE THE FOLLOWING AS A PERSONAL SHOT AT YOU ***


If you're lifting and bulking and "so much of it ends up being fat", you're not eating and/or lifting right. Either eating too many cals, not lifting enough weight/volume-wise, your macros are way off, something. I'm not sure how this is even debatable? :dwillhuh:


I usually work out (lift) six day a week on average, and I have the opposite problem: I have problems putting on weight, even when my diet stays dirty. That tells me I'm still not eating enough if the scale's not moving.
:comeon:


Weights always work if you do them right. If you hit a plateau, something is no longer "right": one or more of your exercise selection, intensity, periodization, frequency, recovery, etc. needs to be fixed/manipulated. Ain't no damn participation trophies in this fitness shyt. If you were paying the iron price you wouldn't have these problems.
:beli:


Folks literally ride my nuts (:dame:) every week, at least once a week, just off the regular lifting alone: random dudes commenting how I'm always in the gym; gym owner or IFBB pro-sized dude telling me my lifts are impressive; people stopping to watch a single, whatever. I stay lifting focusing on heavy compounds, continually manipulating intensity/volume/frequency, etc. I don't even train for fat loss and I'm leaner than a lot of folks that do. If I actually dialed in my diet I'd prolly be even more beastly.
:what:


What I don't do is: take extended breaks from training; major in the minors (i.e. focus on bullshyt isolation exercises or do most of my compounds on machines); skip legs, etc.


As much as some folks on "plate-watching", that shyt is actually a great litmus test in the gym. If I'm lifting weights/showing up less often/working out less/having shyttier form or whatever than the majority of these other folks I be seeing, I know I'm doing something wrong. That never happens.
:ehh:


Notice that the strongest dudes in their respective gyms don't really make threads like "the weights stopped working! :damn:". Nah B, you're routine and/or diet is fukked.

Simple as that IMO. :yeshrug:
My sleep isn't that great

maybe that's the culprit :francis:
Yeah OP you fukking fakkit.
I lift three days a week
Days in between, weight vest calis and HIIT
One rest day

:ahh:
Why u calling me a fakkit :mjtf: :mjcry:

I'll probably try some of this too
 

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*** PLEASE DON'T TAKE THE FOLLOWING AS A PERSONAL SHOT AT YOU ***


If you're lifting and bulking and "so much of it ends up being fat", you're not eating and/or lifting right. Either eating too many cals, not lifting enough weight/volume-wise, your macros are way off, something. I'm not sure how this is even debatable? :dwillhuh:


I usually work out (lift) six day a week on average, and I have the opposite problem: I have problems putting on weight, even when my diet stays dirty. That tells me I'm still not eating enough if the scale's not moving.
:comeon:


Weights always work if you do them right. If you hit a plateau, something is no longer "right": one or more of your exercise selection, intensity, periodization, frequency, recovery, etc. needs to be fixed/manipulated. Ain't no damn participation trophies in this fitness shyt. If you were paying the iron price you wouldn't have these problems.
:beli:


Folks literally ride my nuts (:dame:) every week, at least once a week, just off the regular lifting alone: random dudes commenting how I'm always in the gym; gym owner or IFBB pro-sized dude telling me my lifts are impressive; people stopping to watch a single, whatever. I stay lifting focusing on heavy compounds, continually manipulating intensity/volume/frequency, etc. I don't even train for fat loss and I'm leaner than a lot of folks that do. If I actually dialed in my diet I'd prolly be even more beastly.
:what:


What I don't do is: take extended breaks from training; major in the minors (i.e. focus on bullshyt isolation exercises or do most of my compounds on machines); skip legs, etc.


As much as some folks on "plate-watching", that shyt is actually a great litmus test in the gym. If I'm lifting weights/showing up less often/working out less/having shyttier form or whatever than the majority of these other folks I be seeing, I know I'm doing something wrong. That never happens.
:ehh:


Notice that the strongest dudes in their respective gyms don't really make threads like "the weights stopped working! :damn:". Nah B, you're routine and/or diet is fukked.

Simple as that IMO. :yeshrug:
This is great advice.

Also just to emphasize, if your form is shyt you ain’t gonna see results so make sure that shyt is working too.

Really though if u have half decent genetics then compound lifts, heavy with low reps and eating lots of unprocessed food including lean meats will have u looking right in three to six months if you’re not big yet.

Calisthenics will work but it’s way more time consuming and much slower results imo especially if you’re an ectomorph…u just gonna get strong at the exercises but not big.
 

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My sleep isn't that great

maybe that's the culprit :francis:

Cool. Ignore everything else I mentioned. :francis:

(My work shifts from days to nights with no warning randomly, and the shift lengths are not consistent. My sleep schedule is pretty shytty; it's not uncommon for me to roll in with < 4 hours on a Monday and still beast that day.) But let's use
sleep as a scapegoat.

Either way, you're gonna do whatever the fukk you wanna do (Hodge Twins/c00ns) and I have no dog in this fight, so best of luck either way. :yeshrug:


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Cool. Ignore everything else I mentioned. :francis:

(My work shifts from days to nights with no warning randomly, and the shift lengths are not consistent. My sleep schedule is pretty shytty; it's not uncommon for me to roll in with < 4 hours on a Monday and still beast that day.) But let's use
sleep as a scapegoat.

Either way, you're gonna do whatever the fukk you wanna do (Hodge Twins/c00ns) and I have no dog in this fight, so best of luck either way. :yeshrug:


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Damn, why so aggressive? I'm not ruling out the other stuff you wrote. I'm gonna make sure my bulk is cleaner. I just brought that up as an aside, because I was also working 6x a week for many months at a time, eating clean.

I would lift 3x a week fullbody, and do intense cardio or HIIT on off days. While cutting, and bulking.

I had some muscle, but even when cutting - whether a really low calorie cut, or a more reserved cut, I would always still have some flab with the muscle. I could never get that nice lean look. always something to grab on with a full hand :francis:
 

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I have muscle

It's just that whenever I try to bulk, so much of it ends up being fat, and whenever I lose weight, shyt just ain't working after a certain point

So I just look some type

I'm basically thinking of adding calisthenics on off days.


It's weird too though, because I've seen others transform their bodies by working out everyday

Honestly no offense if you don’t know what you doing. You shouldn’t be bulking. You gotta know how to eat and train beforehand or you just gonna be wasting your time. Doing a bulking/cutting cycle you gotta be knowledgeable in your nutrition and training plus you have to be discipline. You gotta know your body by the back of your hand. You gotta know the right amount of calorie surplus in order for you gain the most muscle and limit the fat. Then when you cut you gotta know your calorie deficit amount. Everybody is unique so what work for me, might not work for you. That’s when you fine tune it with some trial and error stuff. Like for me, my body responds the best with pyramid sets with drop sets to failure to end it. I like doing 3 on, 1 off. I go day 1-Chest,Arms/ day-2 Leg day/ day- 3 back,traps. Rest a day then repeat. I do abs twice a week on day-1. My day off I do HIIT training at the track. You gotta keep in mind rest and recovery is just as important to growing muscle as training. Like after I workout I take a cold shower for recovery purposes. Eating is like 70% of it. It’s the most important part of bulking and cutting. Like my post workout meal is always the same. I keep a duffle bag in the car with oatmeal, protein powder and paper bowls. That way as I leave the gym I seat in my car mixing one cup of oatmeal with a scoop of protein. Eat it in the parking lot before I leave the gym. Get home take my supplements and take my cold shower. I’m good for the day.
 

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Honestly no offense if you don’t know what you doing. You shouldn’t be bulking. You gotta know how to eat and train beforehand or you just gonna be wasting your time. Doing a bulking/cutting cycle you gotta be knowledgeable in your nutrition and training plus you have to be discipline. You gotta know your body by the back of your hand. You gotta know the right amount of calorie surplus in order for you gain the most muscle and limit the fat. Then when you cut you gotta know your calorie deficit amount. Everybody is unique so what work for me, might not work for you. That’s when you fine tune it with some trial and error stuff. Like for me, my body responds the best with pyramid sets with drop sets to failure to end it. I like doing 3 on, 1 off. I go day 1-Chest,Arms/ day-2 Leg day/ day- 3 back,traps. Rest a day then repeat. I do abs twice a week on day-1. My day off I do HIIT training at the track. You gotta keep in mind rest and recovery is just as important to growing muscle as training. Like after I workout I take a cold shower for recovery purposes. Eating is like 70% of it. It’s the most important part of bulking and cutting. Like my post workout meal is always the same. I keep a duffle bag in the car with oatmeal, protein powder and paper bowls. That way as I leave the gym I seat in my car mixing one cup of oatmeal with a scoop of protein. Eat it in the parking lot before I leave the gym. Get home take my supplements and take my cold shower. I’m good for the day.

How long are you spending in the gym?

I'd usually do fullbody - Chest, Back, Shoulders, Legs - and spend some 75-80 minutes. 3x a week, with HIIT or some other intense cardio on off days.

I'd do this whether cutting or bulking. And again, I've gained muscle, but it seems like at a certain point, the muscle just doesn't increase. and the flab still remains when I cut.
 
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