serious question: when and where did house music stop being cool amongst black Americans?

[eastsideTT]

I would say right around the time the industry planted tons of fake gangsters in everyone's faces to promote an agenda of blind consumerism and hyper violence.

House and dance music is still big in a lot of places though. Baltimore has the B-more club, Newark has Jersey Club, Philly has a little Jersey Club spill-over, New York had 'ballroom' and the get lite stuff...DC has Go-go ... people just going to parties and having fun. underground shyt. These scenes still exist and are pretty big all things considered

 

[Unknown Poster]

I don't think that even plays a big factor in how aframs view house music.

Me neither.

house music just like disco, has always been waaay more straight than gay. The majority of the actual artists are straight but for some reason outsiders overstate the gay element.

This.

 

[Unknown Poster]

No offense but how can you call yourself a real man if you're worried about what other me think of the music your bumping? That's some insecure BS if you ask me.

I've played DJ gigs playing house music at clubs and bars and went home with women who was feeling it dozens or times. But I ain't trying to brag about that.

 

[GrindtooFilthy]

nikkas actually fukk with goldlink though bad example

I would say right around the time the industry planted tons of fake gangsters in everyone's faces to promote an agenda of blind consumerism and hyper violence.

House and dance music is still big in a lot of places though. Baltimore has the B-more club, Newark has Jersey Club, Philly has a little Jersey Club spill-over, New York had 'ballroom' and the get lite stuff...DC has Go-go ... people just going to parties and having fun. underground shyt. These scenes still exist and are pretty big all things considered

nyc ballroom/vogue has a huge gay presence though, at least with jersey club, gogo, and bmore club there's a cis oriented aura (if that makes sense)

 

[How Sway?]

juke derives from ghetto house of the 80's/90's but it has a faster bpm.

here's an example of what i mean
ghetto house

juke music


then you have footwork music which is even faster than juke(sometimes) with abrupt rythmic changes, heavier bass, and violent or melancholy vocal samples. made specifically for footwoork battling. Although, a lot of footwork music these days is a bit more eclectic and 'polished'. I guess its due to many of the Dj's traveling the globe and adding other elements.

 

[BigMan]

people Still doing the getting lit tiff?

 

[IllmaticDelta]

nikkas actually fukk with goldlink though bad example

it's a great example because the music is straight up House-based

 

[The Amerikkkan Idol]

I don't think that even plays a big factor in how aframs view house music.

You're wrong. I know for a fact that "gangsta rap" and the culture that surrounds it (men not dancing, gangsta posturing) has a lot to do with house music's demise in urban areas.

It was seen as "faq music" in a world where you couldn't be soft, once NWA, Ice Cube, Ice-T came out

aframs listen to disco all of the time and it had the same overstated gay element as house music




how would they look at you if you were playing the following?

Different times. The '70s were this crazy drug filled haze where sexuality was way more fluid and also, disco culture was associated with bands like Heatwave, Parliament-Funkadelic, Barry White, The Jacksons, etc. . .Masculine Black men.

Look at how grown men dressed at that point in the late '70s.

Then, think about the early '90s when house started to fade when Snoop & Dre are on the radio and Wu-Tang and shyt.

You could not be soft at all at that point.

I think that's a part of the demise of R&B too, or at least the Freddie Jackson/Luther Vandross type of R&B.

Gangsta rap made everybody look like pussies if they didn't wear baggy clothes and act street, so even people like R. Kelly had to adopt more HIp-Hop aestethics.

 

[IllmaticDelta]

You're wrong. I know for a fact that "gangsta rap" and the culture that surrounds it (men not dancing, gangsta posturing) has a lot to do with house music's demise in urban areas.

It was seen as "faq music" in a world where you couldn't be soft, once NWA, Ice Cube, Ice-T came out

that might have played a role with hardcore/street types but not the avg person and clearly had no impact on women

Different times. The '70s were this crazy drug filled haze where sexuality was way more fluid and also, disco culture was associated with bands like Heatwave, Parliament-Funkadelic, Barry White, The Jacksons, etc. . .Masculine Black men.

musically yes, not the subculture. Same thing with house music

Look at how grown men dressed at that point in the late '70s.

Then, think about the early '90s when house started to fade when Snoop & Dre are on the radio and Wu-Tang and shyt.

You could not be soft at all at that point.

you had these types in the later 80's/early 90s







2000s

I think that's a part of the demise of R&B too, or at least the Freddie Jackson/Luther Vandross type of R&B.

well, it had more to do with that type of r&B overly glossy than anything to do with gangsta rap

Gangsta rap made everybody look like pussies if they didn't wear baggy clothes and act street, so even people like R. Kelly had to adopt more HIp-Hop aestethics.

hiphop aesthetics and gangsta rap are not one in the same

 

[The Amerikkkan Idol]

that might have played a role with hardcore/street types but not the avg person and clearly had no impact on women






musically yes, not the subculture. Same thing with house music





you had these types in the later 80's/early 90s







2000s







well, it had more to do with that type of r&B overly glossy than anything to do with gangsta rap





hiphop aesthetics and gangsta rap are not one in the same

You underestimate how much influence the street types/hard rocks have on everybody else, especially in that era.

Those dudes effected the way everybody dressed and walked and talked.

They changed HIp-Hop.

Look at how rappers dressed in the '80s with the track suits or tight jeans, then West Coast gangsta culture comes out and all of a sudden everybody's clothes are baggy as hell (even girls), people are wearing flannel, Chuck Taylors, dikkies & Carhartts. People in R&B/pop like TLC, Aaliyah, YNVee, Jade, Montell Jordan, Jodeci, etc. . .were ALL affected by gangsta rap culture.

All the loud colors started to disappear and dudes started wearing a lot of Blacks and dark blues and grays.

Now, I will say you're right that women are less likely to affected by tough guy posturing, but as a guy who was coming up in that time period, even a lot of them were influenced majorly by gangsta rap culture, which shunned anything and everything perceived as "soft"

Even a lot of girls were walking around like G's in wife beaters and shyt

House music wasn't going to be respected in that climate. It was too soft for the early/mid '90s.

It never recovered after that

The culture started to lighten up around '96/'97 and girls went back to looking like girls and a lot of dudes in the hood stopped acting like they had to mean mug and sag constantly, but the damage was already done.

 

[How Sway?]

Other than New Orleans, the places you bolded were big on techno/EDM which was derived from house. The "corny" commercial house music like Techntronic/Snap/Robin S./Crystal Waters was major in those places.

New Orleans had bounce, so I don't know of any major house influence there.

I'm sure plenty of people listen to house music in those areas, but is it deeply rooted in the local culture to the point that even middle age suburban moms and hood nikkas fukk with it?

Just speaking from a chicago perspective where it was mostly street nikkas that were having footwork battles on the middle of the street / alleyway.

Same thing with detroit and the jit or Bmore and the lil dances that they do.

 

[Art Barr]

When gays took their sector of the Chicago beginning origins of house from the wherehouse venue and into the lane. that became the club called the generator's main crowd.

Art barr

 

[invalid]

deep/soulful/garage/vocal house by far are the ones most black people know and listen to

Went into Bloomingdales today.. they were playing this same tune in your video by Lisa Shaw.



shyt put me in a good mood... ended up spending more money.

These stores be knowing what they doing.....but I didn't care.

 

[invalid]

Deep and Soulful House are GOAT.

deep/soulful/garage/vocal house by far are the ones most black people know and listen to