Secular Humanism

[714562]

I don't need to test beliefs. If you believe it and are a truly decent human being within and without, I don't give a fukk what you believe. I heartily agree with using critical reasoning, evidence and the scientific method to solve important issues. Fulfillment, search for truth, etc. = religion. Same shyt, different toilet paper. They shoulda put a bean pie and an issue of Watchtower magazine next to each of those last six points.

Secular humanism is just the same as good ol' Renaissance Humanism without the unnecessary Greco-pagan undertones. It's hilarious that you think it's a religion just because it "tells you what to think." It's even more hilarious that you think search for truth and fulfillment = religion.

If it indeed is, please name a secular humanist ceremony. I'll wait.

 

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A lot of children in here demonstrating they fail to understand the difference between philosophy and religion.

All religion is a sort of philosophy, not the other way around.

 

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And Yes, Barack's mother was a strict follower of secular humanism, as well as being a PhD holding anthropologist.

 

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In his 1995 memoir Dreams from My Father, Barack Obama wrote, "My mother's confidence in needlepoint virtues depended on a faith I didn't possess... In a land [Indonesia] where fatalism remained a necessary tool for enduring hardship ... she was a lonely witness for secular humanism, a soldier for New Deal, Peace Corps, position-paper liberalism."[63] In his 2006 book The Audacity of Hope Obama wrote, "I was not raised in a religious household ... My mother's own experiences ... only reinforced this inherited skepticism. Her memories of the Christians who populated her youth were not fond ones ... And yet for all her professed secularism, my mother was in many ways the most spiritually awakened person that I've ever known."[64] "Religion for her was "just one of the many ways — and not necessarily the best way — that man attempted to control the unknowable and understand the deeper truths about our lives," Obama wrote

And then her son goes on to be a moderate Republican and a make-believe religious follower. What a special lady.

 

[Tesseract]

Secular humanism is just the same as good ol' Renaissance Humanism without the unnecessary Greco-pagan undertones. It's hilarious that you think it's a religion just because it "tells you what to think." It's even more hilarious that you think search for truth and fulfillment = religion.

If it indeed is, please name a secular humanist ceremony. I'll wait.

Didn't think I had to type them all out, but I specifically referred to these 6 points:

Fulfillment, growth, creativity
Search for truth
This life
Ethics
Justice and fairness
Building a better world

Each of these is a tenet of every single 'religion' I can think of. I don't think SH is a 'religion' based solely on being told what/how to think, that's just one criticism that can be applied to all of them.

 

[Tesseract]

A lot of children in here demonstrating they fail to understand the difference between philosophy and religion.

That's no failure. There is no concrete definition of 'religion' that everyone agrees on.

http://iiss.berkeley.edu/files/2011/06/The-Complexity-of-Religion-Gunn1.pdf

This applies to the problems encountered by the International Legal community in their attempts to define it. I know the differences between Philosophy and Religion which is what the other poster was getting to when he referred to 'ceremonies'. The problem with that criteria, however, is that not all religions have ceremonies, believe in 'miracles', etc. I kept those differences in-mind when making my initial post.

This thread, however, is not a debate as to what constitutes a 'religion'.

 

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That's no failure. There is no concrete definition of 'religion' that everyone agrees on.

http://iiss.berkeley.edu/files/2011/06/The-Complexity-of-Religion-Gunn1.pdf

This applies to the problems encountered by the International Legal community in their attempts to define it. I know the differences between Philosophy and Religion which is what the other poster was getting to when he referred to 'ceremonies'. The problem with that criteria, however, is that not all religions have ceremonies, believe in 'miracles', etc. I kept those differences in-mind when making my initial post.

This thread, however, is not a debate as to what constitutes a 'religion'.

Except you made it be.

Religions are encompassed in philosophy, not the other way around. Several other posters have already pointed this out.

Take the loss and keep it moving brother.

 

[714562]

Didn't think I had to type them all out, but I specifically referred to these 6 points:

Fulfillment, growth, creativity
Search for truth
This life
Ethics
Justice and fairness
Building a better world

Each of these is a tenet of every single 'religion' I can think of. I don't think SH is a 'religion' based solely on being told what/how to think, that's just one criticism that can be applied to all of them.

...and those are ceremonies? Are you being intentionally obtuse? Those are all necessary tenets of religion, but not sufficient to constitute one ipso facto. I could point out all of those things in the corporate bylines of McDonalds. Does that make McDonalds a religion? No. And please don't try to argue that it is. In fact, all of those concepts exist inside of atheists as much as they do in theists.

I'll repeat. If it indeed is a religion, please name a secular humanist ceremony. I'll wait.

 

[Tesseract]

Except you made it be.

When were the rules established? Where is the mediator? Sorry, but this was not a debate. Just people on a messageboard exchanging ideas in a civil manner....most of the time.

 

[Tesseract]

If it indeed is a religion, please name a secular humanist ceremony. I'll wait.

I'll do you one better, here's a video......

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Female leading the proceedings is known as a Humanist Officiant or Celebrant but I think you already knew this.

 

[MaybachMusic]

i am a person of christian/catholic faith. i cant acknowledge such an absurd philosophy. this is not some new concept, its called atheist or agnostic...whatever you folks want to call it now.

 

[MaybachMusic]

I'll do you one better, here's a video......

Humanist Wedding​

Female leading the proceedings is known as a Humanist Officiant or Celebrant but I think you already knew this.

marriage is a bond between god and man. therefore, an humanist wedding ceremony is a mochary of the religion they are representing. do you or do you not want to recognize God?

 

[Tesseract]

an humanist wedding ceremony is a mochary

Not as much as your spelling......

 

[714562]

I'll do you one better, here's a video......

Humanist Wedding​

Female leading the proceedings is known as a Humanist Officiant or Celebrant but I think you already knew this.

They chose a Christian motif on purpose.

From the Humanist website:

Each Humanist wedding ceremony is unique, dignified and deeply personal.

If she had chosen to wear a jello dress and have a rottweiler lick it off, it would have been allowed.

That's not a codified ceremony.

People choose the white dress and suits because that's all they know. Has nothing to do with any dogma contained within humanism.

Still waiting.

 

[Mr. Pink]

marriage is a bond between god and man. therefore, an humanist wedding ceremony is a mochary of the religion they are representing. do you or do you not want to recognize God?

Shut your bytch ass up. christianity doesn't have a monopoly on marriage. Marriage was around long before christianity was. Furthermore marriage is a legal institution, irrespective of religious affiliation.