SCOTUS on Affirmative Action - Regarding University Admissions (2022)

[DrBanneker]

Don't read the TLR thread. You got "thorough tough" black posters advocating this because it gets blacks back into trades and low paying jobs.

AA in college admissions has nothing to do with the trades. The people missing out on the trades are the HS/GED or some associates typically. And I say this as someone that has done some technical training in the past.

 

[mastermind]

California libs already did away with it. What do you think conservatives will do?

it wasn’t California Liberals who voted it out.

 

[mastermind]

race doesn't get you in, this is the lie they tell to get people to turn against AA. my mom worked in admissions at UC Berkley, what AA used to do was take into account the environment in which you were raised and went to school in a way such that if you were a black student with a 3.6 GPA from a 5 school (bad), you might beat out a similar 3.6 white kid from a 1 school (good) given they want to diversify and you achieved well within the environment in which you were given. AA did not mean a 2.6 GPA. black student getting in over a 4.0 white student just on GP of being black - race could be used a tie breaker, not the primary determining factor.

They have b*stardized Affirmative Action so much that race isn’t even a factor anymore, like the original intent.

I don’t want AA gone, but AA should have never been seen as a solution to a larger problem either

 

[Consigliere]

Pretty sure they’re going to knock down MBE business status and contract carve outs with this ruling or a related one.

If you can’t use race for admissions why would you be able to use it in government contracting?

 

[DrBanneker]

They have b*stardized Affirmative Action so much that race isn’t even a factor anymore, like the original intent.

I don’t want AA gone, but AA should have never been seen as a solution to a larger problem either

I don't think AA was ever hyped as the solution. It was a sideshow fight that gave conservatives something to attack and liberals something to defend. The larger issues to help Black kids learn are subsumed in the bytchfight that is education policy in this country. I never heard a higher education AA proponent claim it was the solution to anything besides increasing representation of Blacks in the upper echelons.

 

[Mowgli]

it wasn’t California Liberals who voted it out.

Yeah, typo. I corrected that.

Good catch. Good find

 

[Professor Emeritus]

Truth is black people shouldn't even trying to relay on "affirmative action" we should want to get in based on our test scores.

Why? First off it's ridiculous to base college on standardized test scores that hardly have jack shyt to do with what you actually do in college. Test scores are a better proxy for privilege than anything else. Second, test scores are a trailing measure for gaining equality, not a leading one. By the time Black kids have equal/better test scores then everything else will already have been equalized decades earlier.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

The equality loving liberal allowed black student admissions to fall from about 7 percent to 2 percent by ending affirmative action in the UC school system. I'm sure this will cause lower black representation across the board as liberals tout, minority, to hide the cold reality.

California banned affirmative action in 1996. Inside the UC struggle for diversity

As the Supreme Court weighs affirmative action, the University of California's struggle with diversity since a 1996 ban offers lessons.

www.latimes.com

California was governed by a right-wing Republican, Pete Wilson, when AA in the UC system was banned. Same time period that the 3-strikes law and energy dergulation was passed. The main pusher was Ward Connerly, a libertarian Republican on the University of California board of regents who is a long-time anti-AA activist, along with Republican politicians and libertarian groups. It was opposed by all the major Democratic politicians as well as the ACLU, SCLC, NAACP, NOW, National Rainbow Coalition, American Jewish Congress, Asian Law Caucus, Latino Civil Rights Network.

In exit polls, the repeal of AA was supported by 77% of conservatives, 52% of moderates, and 27% of liberals. 61% of men and 48% of women. 63% of white voters, 26% of black, 24% of latino, 39% of asian. 62% of protestants, 54% of catholics, and 42% of jews.

It looks like yet another issue where all those conservative white protestants you roll around on the matt with were the primary problem.

 

[Mowgli]

California was governed by a right-wing Republican, Pete Wilson, when AA in the UC system was banned. Same time period that the 3-strikes law and energy dergulation was passed. The main pusher was Ward Connerly, a libertarian Republican on the University of California board of regents who is a long-time anti-AA activist, along with Republican politicians and libertarian groups. It was opposed by all the major Democratic politicians as well as the ACLU, SCLC, NAACP, NOW, National Rainbow Coalition, American Jewish Congress, Asian Law Caucus, Latino Civil Rights Network.

In exit polls, the repeal of AA was supported by 77% of conservatives, 52% of moderates, and 27% of liberals. 61% of men and 48% of women. 63% of white voters, 26% of black, 24% of latino, 39% of asian. 62% of protestants, 54% of catholics, and 42% of jews.

It looks like yet another issue where all those conservative white protestants you roll around on the matt with were the primary problem.

And they waited what 20 years to try and put affirmative action back on the books. That Libby poo.

In 2020, right after George Floyd died, they tried to bring affirmative action back and the democratic governor loving liberal came out to say no thanks. Or was that the hidden cell of conservatives too?

The social justice loving liberals just stayed home when it came to do the right thing....

And they voted no thanks...



Both sides.

 

[mastermind]

@Mowgli definitely has cauliflower ear. He probably got that nasty brow ridge those floor rollers have too.

 

[Mowgli]

@Mowgli definitely has cauliflower ear. He probably got that nasty brow ridge those floor rollers have too.

Don't be rude brother.

 

[EndDomination]

Ditto. It's dead at this point. What I am interested/concerned about is how far they will take it in the ruling. This ruling applies primarily to higher education but they could easily try to enlarge its scope to any educational institution at any level or even take aim at things totally unrelated to education.

Then comes the greenwashing about this being the latest greatest "Civil Rights victory". Given this court I expect them to come at the 1964 CRA act eventually, that's basically all that was left now the VRA has been watered down to nothing.

It will go substantially further than education.
There have already been several Sixth Circuit and Fifth Circuit cases (as well as numerous state court of appeals and supreme court cases) working to limit "affirmative action" policies in public sector jobs, in high school and middle school programmes, in private sector jobs, and in federal and state programmes similar to reparations (like the federal program for Black farmers).

Anyone cheering for this is actively cheering for white supremacy.

i mean california overturned this in the 90's, no way in hell this SCOTUS doesn't do the same in 2022

This is what they've been chasing, the California decisions were carried by the Right and were a showing of how, even when they're in minority power, they can still successfully attack good programs.

Better teach these kids to compete man....

Lol. Its largely socio-economic breh.

California repubs already did away with it. After G Floyd died they tried to reinstate it and California libs shut it down. If the modern democratic party doesn't want affirmative action what do you think conservatives will do?


The equality loving liberal allowed black student admissions to fall from about 7 percent to 2 percent by ending affirmative action in the UC school system. I'm sure this will cause lower black representation across the board as liberals tout, minority, to hide the cold reality.

California banned affirmative action in 1996. Inside the UC struggle for diversity

As the Supreme Court weighs affirmative action, the University of California's struggle with diversity since a 1996 ban offers lessons.

www.latimes.com

This was driven by conservatives, you're falling into the trap of primarily blaming liberals for an attack strategy developed, championed, and implemented by conservatives.

Well here's the thing, the goal is limit the access for black people, because they believe they're taking their spots the but the reality is, Asians end up taking their spots too.

Truth is black people shouldn't even trying to relay on "affirmative action" we should want to get in based on our test scores.

"Test scores are how much the parents make."

 

[Mowgli]

It will go substantially further than education.
There have already been several Sixth Circuit and Fifth Circuit cases (as well as numerous state court of appeals and supreme court cases) working to limit "affirmative action" policies in public sector jobs, in high school and middle school programmes, in private sector jobs, and in federal and state programmes similar to reparations (like the federal program for Black farmers).

Anyone cheering for this is actively cheering for white supremacy.

This is what they've been chasing, the California decisions were carried by the Right and were a showing of how, even when they're in minority power, they can still successfully attack good programs.

Lol. Its largely socio-economic breh.

This was driven by conservatives, you're falling into the trap of primarily blaming liberals for an attack strategy developed, championed, and implemented by conservatives.

"Test scores are how much the parents make."

Conservatives enable the legislation.
Liberals carry it out at the ground level.
Black student admissions at the UC school system dropped to 2 percent from 7. These are schools that aren't known for their churning out of conservatives.

Also, it took 20 years for democrats to get AA back on the books to vote and as liberalized as California pretends to be they still voted against affirmative action.

You don't have to defend these folks.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

And they waited what 20 years to try and put affirmative action back on the books. That Libby poo.

In 2020, right after George Floyd died, they tried to bring affirmative action back and the democratic governor loving liberal came out to say no thanks. Or was that the hidden cell of conservatives too?

What kind of idiot are you? The "democratic governor" endorsed affirmative action, but it's a ballot initiative, not a governor's action.

California political and media elites overwhelmingly favored ending race neutrality by passing Prop 16. It was endorsed by Senators Kamala Harris and Dianne Feinstein; former Senator Barbara Boxer; at least 30 Democratic members of the U.S. House, including Nancy Pelosi; and Governor Gavin Newsom, Lieutenant Governor Eleni Kounalakis, Secretary of State Alex Padilla, State Controller Betty Yee, State Treasurer Fiona Ma, State Superintendent of Public Instruction Tony Thurmond, Speaker of the Assembly Anthony Rendon, Los Angeles Mayor Eric Garcetti, San Francisco Mayor London Breed, and hundreds of other local officials. It was also supported by many of the state’s newspapers, including the Los Angeles Times, The Mercury News, the San Francisco Chronicle, The San Diego Union-Tribune, La Opinión, the East Bay Times, The Sacramento Bee, The Fresno Bee, and The Modesto Bee.

Why California Rejected Racial Preferences, Again

A majority voted against repealing the state’s ban on affirmative action.

www.theatlantic.com

And in the "20 years" they waited, California had conservative governors (Wilson, Arnold) for nearly half that time. California isn't as uniformly liberal as you want to claim.

The social justice loving liberals just stayed home when it came to do the right thing....

And they voted no thanks...



Both sides.

YOUR conservative friends are the ones who voted against it, dumbass.

A right-wing conservative blaming liberals for Affirmative Action not happening is some of the weirdest low-IQ shyt.

 

[Mowgli]

What kind of idiot are you? The "democratic governor" endorsed affirmative action, but it's a ballot initiative, not a governor's action.

Why California Rejected Racial Preferences, Again

A majority voted against repealing the state’s ban on affirmative action.

www.theatlantic.com

And in the "20 years" they waited, California had conservative governors (Wilson, Arnold) for nearly half that time. California isn't as uniformly liberal as you want to claim.







YOUR conservative friends are the ones who voted against it, dumbass.

A right-wing conservative blaming liberals for Affirmative Action not happening is some of the weirdest low-IQ shyt.

Yes it's obvious California is not uniformly liberal because even at the height of their liberalism which is now they failed. Yet you still wave pom poms without a critique in the world.

We got a lot of super liberal conservatives out here when it comes time for black people to get some s***

You can't blame the conservative pockets of California for that. The liberal voters just didn't turn out for their own initiatives because they don't give a s***. Your white liberal warrior friends don't care. Why can't you see that? Your liberal army are lip professors.

They say look what the conservatives did and then follow through with their policies within institutions.

Also watch yourself with those personal insults. I'm trying to be patient with you.