Scientists Discover Stone-tipped Spears That Predate The Existence of Humans

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Evolution :ohhh::blessed:


http://news.discovery.com/human/evo...-existence-of-humans-131113.htm#mkcpgn=emnws1

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Remains of the oldest known stone-tipped throwing spears, described in a new paper, are so ancient that they actually predate the earliest known fossils for our species by 85,000 years.

There are a couple possible implications, and both are mind-blowing. The first is that our species could be much older than previously thought, which would forever change the existing human family tree.

The second, and more likely at this point, is that a predecessor species to ours was extremely crafty and clever, making sophisticated tools long before Homo sapiens emerged

Homo heidelbergensis, aka Heidelberg Man, lived in Africa, Europe and western Asia from at least 600,000 years ago. He clearly got around, and many think this species was the direct ancestor of Homo sapiens in Africa and Neanderthals in Europe and Asia.

The new paper, published in the latest PLoS ONE, focuses on the newly identified stone-tipped spears, which date to 280,000 years ago. They were found at an Ethiopian Stone Age site known as Gademotta.

Sahle, a postdoctoral researcher at the University of California at Berkeley’s Human Evolution Research Center, and his team analyzed the weapons. They determined that the spears were made from obsidian found near the site. The toolmakers had to craft the pointy spearhead shapes and spear shafts. They then needed to attach the points securely to the shafts. Even today, all of this would require skill, concentration and multiple steps.

Could a Steve Jobs-like innovator within the Heidelberg Man set have come up with this useful tool and production process?

Possibly, according to Sahle.

"Technological advances were not necessarily associated with anatomical changes (among Homo species)," he said. "The advances might have started earlier."

The intelligence needed to create such tools could therefore have predated our present body type. Based on the recreations I've seen of Heidelberg Man (and Heidelberg Woman), they did look very much like us. They were known to have been fairly tall and muscular.

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As for why innovative tools from this period are known only from this site in Ethiopia, Sahle has some ideas.

"High-quality raw materials were nearby, so those could have allowed for the full expression of technological skills," he said.

"Second, a bigger population was supported at the site," he continued. With more individuals around, there would have been a greater chance for the spread of innovative ideas. If there was indeed a Steve Jobs-type in the mix, he would have been able to influence more individuals and perhaps even created a prehistoric spear-making assembly line of sorts.

"Thirdly, there was a mega lake at the site," Sahle said. "It might have attracted stable occupations there, further fueling technological advances."

It's not clear yet what the prehistoric ancestral humans were hunting with the spears. A mishmash of animal remains was found, but the researchers haven't been able to tease them apart yet.

What is clear is that the spears were thrown from a distance at prey, instead of thrust into victims, Neanderthal-style.
 

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Maybe I just skimmed through it, but how did they determine this predated "humans"?

Well, it's older than all the human fossils we've found so far, so that leaves two options- that humans go back further than we thought, or that our pre-human ancestors developed rudimentary spears. The 2nd case is more likely because while there's room for humans to exist earlier than estimated (and we keep finding out they did,) it's less likely that we existed that far back, plus we already know that our pre-human ancestors existed at that time and were living in the areas where these were found.
 

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Well, it's older than all the human fossils we've found so far, so that leaves two options- that humans go back further than we thought, or that our pre-human ancestors developed rudimentary spears. The 2nd case is more likely because while there's room for humans to exist earlier than estimated (and we keep finding out they did,) it's less likely that we existed that far back, plus we already know that our pre-human ancestors existed at that time and were living in the areas where these were found.
Well, not exactly. The rock itself could EASILY predate humans, that does not mean that it became a tool until 3000 years ago. They would have to determine when it became a spearhead.
 

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So, in essence, they found a sharpened rock and assumed it was a humanoid artifact?

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They came up with this inference and theory from a sharpened rock which may or may not have been an animal or human tool?

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So, in essence, they found a sharpened rock and assumed it was a humanoid artifact?

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They came up with this inference and theory from a sharpened rock which may or may not have been an animal or human tool?

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Not quite. You might want to read the article, and the paper, too: http://www.plosone.org/article/info:doi/10.1371/journal.pone.0078092


Well, not exactly. The rock itself could EASILY predate humans, that does not mean that it became a tool until 3000 years ago. They would have to determine when it became a spearhead.

That's a good point. They dealt with that in the paper itself: http://www.plosone.org/article/info:doi/10.1371/journal.pone.0078092
 

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i don't get it.. Where we supposed to assume that pre sapiens hominids didn't use tools?
 

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i don't get it.. Where we supposed to assume that pre sapiens hominids didn't use tools?

We already know they did, but we didn't know they were at throwing spear-level technology, which is significantly more advanced than just using twigs or sharp stones for stuff.
 

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We already know they did, but we didn't know they were at throwing spear-level technology, which is significantly more advanced than just using twigs or sharp stones for stuff.
define 'we'.

Most college educated adults have knowledge of primitive animals using tools for fun and to eat. They've sharpened sticks n shyt. If primitive animals can do this, why wouldn't other versions of 'us ' be able to bang a rock to make it sharp - and have the cognition to know how that might be useful.

Brehahh , Many bugs and even freakin Sea Otters (with NO HANDS!) use tools - so one should assume that prehumans that lived in trees and walked on ground all probably use tools.
 
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