Sanders is the most electable candidate in America

[88m3]

Fantastic

going to hurt the average investor saving retirement, pensions, etc

guess that doesn't matter

harm the people you're supposed to be "helping", brehs...

 

[Aufheben]

At what cost to what point?

Wanting something doesn't pay for it.


We're talking about potentially torpedoing the worlds economy.

well to implement free public college is actually fairly cheap.

and single payer healthcare if implemented correctly would actually reduce our current expenditures on healthcare

How To Use Single Payer Healthcare As Trojan Horse For A Good Welfare State – MattBruenig | Politics

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

well to implement free public college is actually fairly cheap.

and single payer healthcare if implemented correctly would actually reduce our current expenditures on healthcare

How To Use Single Payer Healthcare As Trojan Horse For A Good Welfare State – MattBruenig | Politics

No.

Its not.

And i'm in favor of stratifying what we're paying for.

If you go for STEM, you go for free.

If you go for something non-stem related, you get a graduated coverage or something

 

[88m3]

well to implement free public college is actually fairly cheap.

and single payer healthcare if implemented correctly would actually reduce our current expenditures on healthcare

How To Use Single Payer Healthcare As Trojan Horse For A Good Welfare State – MattBruenig | Politics

I'm honestly not against either I just want it to be done properly in a rational cost effective manner.

Who will pay, how will they be funded?
A lot of states are in precarious situations as it is.

Not that I care much about them but will happen to health insurance companies and their employees?
What will the result be on the economy?

 

[I_Got_Da_Burna]

Bernie is far from the most electable candidate. Some of ya'll's caps are too tight.

He's too radical for most of the country and you can tell that the hubris of youth and the bubble of being in university has shielded you from the realities facing everyone else in society you have to interact with.

Blah blah blah shut the fukk up you pseudo intellectual cac

 

[Tate]

i'd be happier if you supported ENFORCEMENT OF THE LAW instead of socialist redistribution.

Healthcare? Fine.

Other than that, i'm done. Figure it out.

A society's creativity is determined by the grind, struggle, and opportunity to fill a void. Take chances. make money and pursue profits.

fukk the law

So will you admit you were spewing nonsense earlier about social democracy being unpopular? What happened to this Napoleon?

What are you talking about?

I never claimed to be right about everything, and i often apologize or admit where I don't know something.

And I'm cool with people disagreeing with me.

But i'm just fine resolving in being as persuasive as I can and trying to get people to see things as I do.

When will I get my apology on you speaking on something you don't know and being wrong?

 

[Aufheben]

No.

Its not.

And i'm in favor of stratifying what we're paying for.

If you go for STEM, you go for free.

If you go for something non-stem related, you get a graduated coverage or something

umm yeah it is. why do you continue to speak on things you have no idea about?

or are you that much of an ideologue that you have to resort to alarmist scare tactics on message boards?

Here's Exactly How Much the Government Would Have to Spend to Make Public College Tuition-Free

the cost is about three months of pentagon spending and less than four months of what we waste on administrative costs by not having a single payer health care system

I'm honestly not against either I just want it to be done properly in a rational cost effective manner.

Who will pay, how will they be funded?
A lot of states are in precarious situations as it is.

Not that I care much about them but will happen to health insurance companies and their employees?
What will the result be on the economy?

breh it's totally cost effective. we are wasting a ton of money on the inefficient healthcare system we have now. what we do now is totally irrational and not cost effective

the explanation is in the link. with the money we save we can actually put it towards more welfare programs like better child care and paid leave

free public college is doesn't even necessarily require new taxes. the issue is more with political feasibility than cost

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

fukk the law

So will you admit you were spewing nonsense earlier about social democracy being unpopular? What happened to this Napoleon?

When will I get my apology on you speaking on something you don't know and being wrong?

fukk the law?

OK. Well thats the only problem I see here. There are laws being broken.

I'm against citizens united, but until its off the books, Bernie can't keep attacking Hillary for trying to win.

I'm against corporate welfare that causes employees to be on the dole of society but I don't know how to fix that because taxes won't solve that...unless you peg the tax rate too compensation rates.

And social democracy isn't popular. This is america. We damn near invented the modern capitalist state. Theres always going to be an ideological rampart against it. Learn this.

Apology? I owe you nothing. I'm teaching you slowly how the world works.

 

[Aufheben]

How are my views extreme?

And how am I a slave to power?

I support enforcing laws and reducing corporate welfare and enhancing aspects of healthcare.

All this other "redistribution" talk is nonsense however and if we're not talking about combating white supremacy, don't mistake that for some other talking point.

I'm not a geopolitical pacifist and I think the rest of the world has gotten the message that we've gotten soft. I support the hegemony and its nice knowing that my american dollars are worth more and my passport ensures the US will send a fukking carrier group to come get me should I really need it.

your views are very extreme. not even the most power hungry individuals at the highest level of government or defense would express some of the things you have said in regards to american hegemony and foreign policy (in public at least ). they at least understand the dangers of becoming isolated and maintaining good international relations with certain nations

and do you not believe in a principle of "might makes right"? would you not support the slaughter of thousands of black americans if it meant keeping american hegemony intact?

 

[Tate]

fukk the law?

OK. Well thats the only problem I see here. There are laws being broken.

I'm against citizens united, but until its off the books, Bernie can't keep attacking Hillary for trying to win.

I'm against corporate welfare that causes employees to be on the dole of society but I don't know how to fix that because taxes won't solve that...unless you peg the tax rate too compensation rates.

And social democracy isn't popular. This is america. We damn near invented the modern capitalist state. Theres always going to be an ideological rampart against it. Learn this.

Apology? I owe you nothing. I'm teaching you slowly how the world works.

Cmon champ this was a simple discussion. You said sanders policies aren't popular, I said they were and provided you with several nice links to that end. Wheres your beef nap?

 

[88m3]

Cmon champ this was a simple discussion. You said sanders policies aren't popular, I said they were and provided you with several nice links to that end. Wheres your beef nap?

They're really popular in ivory towers or so I've been told.

 

[88m3]

All the planks of his platform are popular. He is popular. Hiliary is reviled by most of the country. What is your criteria for electability?

"University bubble" is a great talking point until you actually delve into the data which indicates Sanders wins big with working class and poor people.

“Socialism never took root in America because the poor see themselves not as an exploited proletariat but as temporarily embarrassed millionaires.”

― Ronald Wright

womp womp womp

 

[Tate]

They're really popular in ivory towers or so I've been told.

Can't argue with that

 

[Tate]

“Socialism never took root in America because the poor see themselves not as an exploited proletariat but as temporarily embarrassed millionaires.”

― Ronald Wright

womp womp womp

I thought this was a Steinbeck quote?

 

[88m3]

I thought this was a Steinbeck quote?

That was my understanding as well...