Ryan Coogler (Sinners/Black Panther/Fruitvale Station Director) is a follower of Tariq Nasheed and the FBA movement

[K.O.N.Y]

There’s a whole school of African/Afro-Diasporic studies on the survival of ‘Africanisms’ in Afro-Diasporic cultures in the Americas which largely conclude that African Americans, like Afro Brazilians or Haitians are largely African peoples.

Were you aware of that? I can direct you to some if you weren’t.

Yes but fbas sit on layers and layers of uniquely black American customs and cultural experience-expression

We are not Africans in America in the way I see people positing it. We had an ethno genesis here

 

[Nkrumah Was Right]

Yes but fbas sit on layers and layers of uniquely black American customs and cultural experience-expression

We are not Africans in America in the way I see people positing it. We had an ethno genesis here

No one’s disputing the ethno-genesis.

What people take issue with is the denial of African heritage.

ADOS/FBA is a reaction to imbecilic Nigerians saying African Americans have no culture. An obviously dumb and offensive opinion from the worse set of people in West Africa!

But the reaction has gone too far, such that it now incorporates a denial of Africa.

 

[Nkrumah Was Right]

 

[K.O.N.Y]

No one’s disputing the ethno-genesis.

What people take issue with is the denial of African heritage.

ADOS/FBA is a reaction to imbecilic Nigerians saying African Americans have no culture. An obviously dumb and offensive opinion from the worse set of people in West Africa!

But the reaction has gone too far, such that it now incorporates a denial of Africa.

It’s about having the social awareness to recognize a discrepancy. Outside interpretations play a role. But overall it’s acknowledging the fact that we don’t and never had a proper distinct ethnic designation that adequately operated as such

In an increasingly globalized America/world- identifying as “JUST BLACK” is not going to cut it anymore. It worked during a period of more isolation but those days are over

The same level of ignorance that places Africa as a country and not a continent, is the same level of ignorance that created African-American. Even if the heart was in the right place it still fails terribly as an actual ethnic distinction

People often go overboard with the Africans in America thing.As I said before there’s an entirely new base culture structure created here . That’s the most pertinent culture subset to modern black Americans. Everything we do can be attributed to our own fba ancestors here

 

[Buddy]

It’s about having the social awareness to recognize a discrepancy. Outside interpretations play a role. But overall it’s acknowledging the fact that we don’t and never had a proper distinct ethnic designation that adequately operated as such

In an increasingly globalized America/world- identifying as “JUST BLACK” is not going to cut it anymore. It worked during a period of more isolation but those days are over

The same level of ignorance that places Africa as a country and not a continent, is the same level of ignorance that created African-American. Even if the heart was in the right place it still fails terribly as an actual ethnic distinction

People often go overboard with the Africans in America thing.As I said before there’s an entirely new base culture structure created here . That’s the most pertinent culture subset to modern black Americans. Everything we do can be attributed to our own fba ancestors here

What I say tho breh?
You see the hate Internet Ass Muhfickas have for Foundational African In America excellence?

 

[Black Hans]

The pushback against the FBA ethnic identifier has always been very strange to me.

The black people against it are the parasites that want to exploit FBAs That's why they're so furious about the distinction. It's not really something to be angry about if you're a true ally and want real unity amongst black ethnicities

 

[Nkrumah Was Right]

It’s about having the social awareness to recognize a discrepancy. Outside interpretations play a role. But overall it’s acknowledging the fact that we don’t and never had a proper distinct ethnic designation that adequately operated as such

In an increasingly globalized America/world- identifying as “JUST BLACK” is not going to cut it anymore. It worked during a period of more isolation but those days are over

The same level of ignorance that places Africa as a country and not a continent, is the same level of ignorance that created African-American. Even if the heart was in the right place it still fails terribly as an actual ethnic distinction

People often go overboard with the Africans in America thing.As I said before there’s an entirely new base culture structure created here . That’s the most pertinent culture subset to modern black Americans. Everything we do can be attributed to our own fba ancestors here

Aside from jealous Nigerians, who was saying that you didn't have a distinct ethnic group?

I haven't heard anyone say that Afro-Colombians or Afro-Mexicans aren't a distinct ethnic group or culture, so it's hard to fathom who was saying this about Afro-Americans, of all peoples in the diaspora.

Also, be mindful that it was Jesse Jackson who coined the term 'African American'.

FBA/ADOS isn't doing something particularly ground-breaking. The uniqueness of Afro-American culture has been recognized for centuries. What is unique is the decision to cast off that assimilative properties of Afro-Americanness - that same assimilative power that assimilated the maternal family of Malcolm X, Colin Powell, Cicely Tyson and other black people in America who aren't in the 'ADOS/FBA' distinction.

There's a danger there, given declining natural birth-rates of Afro-Americans, but don't say I didn't warn you!

 

[Barlow]

What is unique is the decision to cast off that assimilative properties of Afro-Americanness - that same assimilative power that assimilated the maternal family of Malcolm X, Colin Powell, Cicely Tyson and other black people in America who aren't in the 'ADOS/FBA' distinction.

There's a danger there, given declining natural birth-rates of Afro-Americans, but don't say I didn't warn you!

The only ones who decided to stop “assimilating” are immigrants when they constantly differentiated themselves from Black Americans. We didn’t make ethnic groups not refer to themselves as black, start their own neighborhoods and festivals, have rappers like busta rhymes say we have no culture, make immigrants show up to our reparations hearings and say we dont deserve anything because we dont work hard like immigrants, etc…

Jamaican birthrights are falling. No ones trying to make them assimilate people.

 

[Nkrumah Was Right]

The only ones who decided to stop “assimilating” are immigrants when they constantly differentiated themselves from Black Americans. We didn’t make ethnic groups not refer to themselves as black, start their own neighborhoods and festivals, have rappers like busta rhymes say we have no culture, make immigrants show up to our reparations hearings and say we dont deserve anything because we dont work hard like immigrants, etc…

Jamaican birthrights are falling. No ones trying to make them assimilate people.

I don’t believe black immigrants to America have stopped assimilating - yet. But they certainly will with ADOS/FBA. Especially at a time where a sizeable portion of Black population growth is because of immigrants and their children.

Perhaps their grandchildren would have seen themselves as Afro-American but that may not happen now. Therefore shrinking Afro-American numbers at a time where Hispanics and other groups continue to grow.

The point is not to recognize your ethnic distinction but rather to avoid becoming as xenophobic as cacs

 

[Barlow]

I don’t believe black immigrants to America have stopped assimilating - yet. But they certainly will with ADOS/FBA. Especially at a time where a sizeable portion of Black population growth is because of immigrants and their children.

Perhaps their grandchildren would have seen themselves as Afro-American but that may not happen now. Therefore shrinking Afro-American numbers at a time where Hispanics and other groups continue to grow.

The point is not to recognize your ethnic distinction but rather to avoid becoming as xenophobic as cacs

You just skipped over everything I said and want to blame Black Americans for the fact that immigrants go out of their way to not fukk with us

Go tell Dominicans, Somalians and Africans to stop saying they’re not black. Go tell this to little Haiti in Miami. Tell these immigrants in New York to stop segregating themselves. Tell people winsome sears to stop saying we need to move on from slavery. Go yell this at the Caribbean parade. Tell North Africans to stop identifying as Caucasian.

I live in Florida. You know how many different enclaves of immigrants there are. We made them do that?

 

[Low End Derrick]

 

[K.O.N.Y]

Aside from jealous Nigerians, who was saying that you didn't have a distinct ethnic group?

I haven't heard anyone say that Afro-Colombians or Afro-Mexicans aren't a distinct ethnic group or culture, so it's hard to fathom who was saying this about Afro-Americans, of all peoples in the diaspora.

Also, be mindful that it was Jesse Jackson who coined the term 'African American'.

FBA/ADOS isn't doing something particularly ground-breaking. The uniqueness of Afro-American culture has been recognized for centuries. What is unique is the decision to cast off that assimilative properties of Afro-Americanness - that same assimilative power that assimilated the maternal family of Malcolm X, Colin Powell, Cicely Tyson and other black people in America who aren't in the 'ADOS/FBA' distinction.

There's a danger there, given declining natural birth-rates of Afro-Americans, but don't say I didn't warn you!

Bro we are not going to put this all on Nigerians. Africans from multiple countries were saying that. The perception was, that culture was our Achilles heel. Fba and the recognition of lineage changes that. Now that advantage people thought they had over us is gone.

And immigrant groups don’t do anything to our numbers unless they marry or procreate into the bloodline. Malcolm xs father was full FBA. There are 30+ million of us not really worried about birth rates that’s just something we’ll have to work on

 

[Nkrumah Was Right]

Bro we are not going to put this all on Nigerians. Africans from multiple countries were saying that. The perception was, that culture was our Achilles heel. Fba and the recognition of lineage changes that. Now that advantage people thought they had over us is gone.

And immigrant groups don’t do anything to our numbers unless they marry or procreate into the bloodline. Malcolm xs father was full FBA. There are 30+ million of us not really worried about birth rates that’s just something we’ll have to work on

Playing to their perception is a sign of weakness in my opinion.

You shouldn’t have had a reactionary response to uneducated people who’ve never left their village, have the gall to say AfAms have no culture but love Tupac and Biggie.

Your Malcolm X comment proves my point. Immigration and assimilation boosts overall black American numbers. Malcolm’s mother assimilated to the broader Black American fold.

There’s around 50 million AfAms, actually. But your birthrate is below replacement so you’ll have absolute population decline in a few decades.

 

[Jazzy B.]

Why do FBA have to answer to Africa?

Caribbeans can be Caribbeans but FBA have to be “Africans”?

 

[Black Panther]

Is that really how this nikka talks?

Sounding like Marshawn Lynch with that Oakland hood accent.

They are friends, and grew up in the same hood


Coogler even went to college on a football scholarship