Russia's Invasion of Ukraine (Official Thread)

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You think Ukraine is going to do what Donald Trump has said? Because Zelensky, and the rest of the world keep saying he can’t negotiate for them.

Zelensky is already negotiating.

I am legit 50/50 that Europe takes up the war effort and we see this become the runway for Europe taking on the majority of NATO’s duties as America influence rapidly deteriorates.

“There are voices which say that Europe could offer security guarantees without the Americans, and I always say no,” said the Ukrainian president during an hour-long interview with the Guardian at the presidential administration in Kyiv. “Security guarantees without America are not real security guarantees,” he added.
 

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Ukraine needs to speak with Canada and learn how to play Trump. Promise him full run of all the rare earths he wants as long as long as Putin gets kicked off the areas rich with them.
 

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You think Ukraine is going to do what Donald Trump has said? Because Zelensky, and the rest of the world keep saying he can’t negotiate for them.

I am legit 50/50 that Europe takes up the war effort and we see this become the runway for Europe taking on the majority of NATO’s duties as America influence rapidly deteriorates.
Ukraine is going to do what they’re told to do because they are a vassal state that has little say so over its future. A country that has to continuously beg for armaments and funding has little power at the negotiation table. They were always a proxy in a much bigger game. If Zelenskyy doesn’t want to play ball then they will force him out via elections or he will end up joining Ngo Dinh Diem at the table.

Europe cannot fund this war on their own because they have not built up their industrial base after three years to match what Russia is doing. They are already tapped out on what they can give without countries jeopardizing their own national security. Denmark was foolish to give all its towed artillery to Ukraine now they are faced with the threat of us trying to take Greenland.

Just because peace negotiations have started doesn’t mean the war ends next week. It took the US and North Vietnam five years and tens of thousands of more deaths before an agreement was made to end the war. Both sides are going slow roll this to gain as much leverage as possible but Ukraine should have took the deal back in 2022.
 

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Imagine starting peace negotiations for an ally without said ally being present.

And Trump already made several concessions before Ukraine got involved. What's stopping Ukraine from crashing out? But we've seen this before. See the Munich Betrayal.
 

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Imagine starting peace negotiations for an ally without said ally being present.

And Trump already made several concessions before Ukraine got involved. What's stopping Ukraine from crashing out? But we've seen this before. See the Munich Betrayal.
That’s because Trump is negotiating on behalf of Russia.

His “art of the deal” philosophy is to begin the negotiations with asking for way too much in your favor.. now ask yourself, in this negotiation which side is Trump favoring?
 

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the US gave them how many billions? he thinks he gets to say no? :francis:

you can fight well and lose but in this case, ukr/russia actually going to war was a colossal failure of US/NATO deterring russia not only at the start of the war but going back to 2014 and even before that. they cannot win. they can draw enduring lines that are stronger than what they were previously tho

his priority is going to quickly shift to getting lingering foreign fighters of his country after all this anyways
 
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