Russia's Invasion of Ukraine (Official Thread)

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I wonder how the strategy may change this year. This last bill took a while to go through Congress but my sense is that Russians know that if Biden wins, subsequent bills will probably be easier - especially if Dems gain seats in the House (which I believe is more likely).
 

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I wonder how the strategy may change this year. This last bill took a while to go through Congress but my sense is that Russians know that if Biden wins, subsequent bills will probably be easier - especially if Dems gain seats in the House (which I believe is more likely).

Well part of the $61 billion bill that just passed is the requirement for the Biden administration to present a “winning” strategy for Ukraine within the next 45 days. So we’ll see sometime in the coming months what the strategy is moving forward but my assumption is its more of creating an exit plan and formulating a long term funding especially if Trump wins.
 

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Well part of the $61 billion bill that just passed is the requirement for the Biden administration to present a “winning” strategy for Ukraine within the next 45 days. So we’ll see sometime in the coming months what the strategy is moving forward but my assumption is its more of creating an exit plan and formulating a long term funding especially if Trump wins.

Those are just words designed to give cover to some of the more reluctant members of Congress.

The one thing that cannot be denied, whether anyone agrees with the costs or overall strategy etc, is that ultimately even if the war is beneficial to Putin from a political standpoint, a lot of Russians are dying and their military is being degraded.
 

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I wonder how the strategy may change this year. This last bill took a while to go through Congress but my sense is that Russians know that if Biden wins, subsequent bills will probably be easier - especially if Dems gain seats in the House (which I believe is more likely).
i dont think the russians care. the ukrainian manpower shortage and the fact that the war is still just attritional are really all that matter right now.
 

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Those are just words designed to give cover to some of the more reluctant members of Congress.

The one thing that cannot be denied, whether anyone agrees with the costs or overall strategy etc, is that ultimately even if the war is beneficial to Putin from a political standpoint, a lot of Russians are dying and their military is being degraded.

Not sure what you mean by the war being politically beneficial for Putin when the war has always been about Russia’s national security. Doesn’t matter if Putin or some other leader is in power, they just weren’t going to allow Ukraine in NATO. There is no denying that no matter what, it’s in the US best interest to weaken a geopolitical rival but it’s not sustainable to keep this going long term. We do not have the current production rate to mass produce the weapons Ukraine needs in a cost effective way and most importantly Ukraine doesn’t have the manpower to keep this going either.

Can’t say Russia is being militarily degraded either. Have they lost a lot of military personnel and equipment, absolutely but they are able to replace those loses. They’ve had only one mobilization and that was back in the fall of 2022. They’re recruiting 30,000 volunteers monthly now for the army. They are able to replace their equipment loses because they have a large industrial base and people with the necessary skill set to do it. The German Defense Minister Boris Pistorius just said in an interview last week that Russia is now producing more weapons than what’s needed for the war in Ukraine. The head of US European Command also told Congress the Russian army is now 15% larger in comparison to when the war started. If anything, we’ve taught them how to fight a modern conventional war.
 

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Not sure what you mean by the war being politically beneficial for Putin when the war has always been about Russia’s national security. Doesn’t matter if Putin or some other leader is in power, they just weren’t going to allow Ukraine in NATO. There is no denying that no matter what, it’s in the US best interest to weaken a geopolitical rival but it’s not sustainable to keep this going long term. We do not have the current production rate to mass produce the weapons Ukraine needs in a cost effective way and most importantly Ukraine doesn’t have the manpower to keep this going either.

Can’t say Russia is being militarily degraded either. Have they lost a lot of military personnel and equipment, absolutely but they are able to replace those loses. They’ve had only one mobilization and that was back in the fall of 2022. They’re recruiting 30,000 volunteers monthly now for the army. They are able to replace their equipment loses because they have a large industrial base and people with the necessary skill set to do it. The German Defense Minister Boris Pistorius just said in an interview last week that Russia is now producing more weapons than what’s needed for the war in Ukraine. The head of US European Command also told Congress the Russian army is now 15% larger in comparison to when the war started. If anything, we’ve taught them how to fight a modern conventional war.

So this bill passing was a good thing for Russia?
 

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So this bill passing was a good thing for Russia?

The only good thing from the bill for Russia is that it didn't include +100,000 freshly printed and trained soldiers for Ukraine to use at their will.

You will still have Russians dying but other than that the bill just delays the inevitable.
 
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