Russia's Invasion of Ukraine (Official Thread)

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This will end like the Korean war, the war will freeze along current lines...Russia is not strong enough to take all of Ukraine and Ukraine is not strong enough to take back occupied territory.
That’s not even possible in this situation.
Korea was one country divided into two.

Unless Russia wants constant saboteurs within its own new population, it’s going to have to let a significant amount of the population in those areas leave to the Ukraini side. Which would make the land unworkable for a Russian population at a loss of young able bodied men.

This is just going to end up like Germany at worse and Ukraine will get its land back.
 

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ft comments are grim:


The idiocy of putina's policy really manifests itself here for all to see, although I doubt many russians will.

Firstly, the price of gas flowing through this pipe will be determined by one party: the Chinese. That pipe does not enter a grid or network to which there are multiple competing buyers connected, but a single buyer. Gazprom will take the price, or leave it.

China is building coal, nuclear, hydro and solar energy production at a truly staggering rate. In 15 years its energy production capacities may be truly enormous - enough to export to East Asia even. The whole world is pivoting away from fossil, so it's unlikely that demand growth for natural gas cause any price surprises.

That pipe will take 10 years to build. Putina will certainly be gone by then, but China is wondering what will be left in his place? A basket case economy desperate for foreign currency? A fossil-based economy reliant on gas exports for its livelihood? Neither are really conducive to a strong russian bargaining position, are they. All the while Australian, the Mid-East, Canada, the US, South America are all exporting more and more LNG.

So the question is, russia: how do you price natural gas from a decrepit economy being delivered to a single buyer in 10 years' time? Only once you've agreed that can you build your pipeline.

That's why China won't pay for it. It knows after 10 years, just like NS1 and NS2 it might get blown up and be worthless anyway as they produce their own energy and import from wealthier economies that support their export economy.

The Chinese always have time on their side and russia will learn this. Tell you what vlad, you bald little dimwit, I'll bid you a 50-year contract, pay-on-take only, priced in USD and JKM/HH/TTF less 40%. If you agree to that, I'll finance 25% of your pipeline with interest payments deducted from the gas bill over the 50-year period. Oh, and we have the right to liquify and re-sell the gas as LNG, to Europe if we want. Just to be clear on that.

And just think! With PoS2 operating at full capacity 50bcm/yr, and PoS1 running at it's upgraded 38bcm/yr, you'll have approximately 43% of the capacity you had to Europe just a couple of years ago...

I bow to your financial prowess, oh great wise bald dwarf.


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That's materially wrong in many aspects, I'm afraid.

The Russians do not have a good track record in operating long-distance gas networks without foreign technology and services. They may be able to do it, but not well, and not immediately.

Public data shows Europe generally imported in excess of 135bcm of Russia gas, although it peaked at near-180bcm. Where that gas was consumed, liquified or traded-on is irrelevant. The point is that it is near-zero now and will be zero within 2 years, at most.

Russia does not have the hard currency to construct Pos2, but even if it did, it is not prepared and cannot bear the risk of sinking that capital into a project where it cannot control the price. China has driven the discount on PoS2 gas to over 45% versus legacy European prices.

Until Russia secures the capital of China or another partner (unlikely) then PoS2 remains, quite literally, putina's "pipe dream".


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Article does not mention Turkmenistan gas , (4th largest world reserves, world leader in gas leakage) which got into China. early , ahead of Russia , causing vindictive Vlad to now try to replace Turkmen's two 1400mm China pipelines with this dubious , hugely expensive , risky "one client only "line through Mongolia . A second reason, not mentioned , is that Gazprom executives and construction managers have historically enriched themselves through huge kickbacks on pipeline construction , not from regular gas flow . That's why there are numerous mainline pipelines from the 2010's in Russia which were built but never used . Now that Russia only has China and their own LNG export terminals to feed , Putin's gas people need another line, even if it is only for 'internal' reasons. Finally, Chinese are not stupid enough to rely on too much Russian gas , as the Germans 'influenced' by now super rich Gerhard Schroeder did. Chinese will build more and more LNG receiving terminals, and not commit anything to Vlad . The climate challenged world has far more proven gas reserves than it should ever need . The only urgent project is to make sure we minimize what Russia can sell , and replace with gas from countries who are not killing 100's of 1000's of their neighbors .
 

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HIMARS about to go ham again. :pachaha:
95 mi range, launched from himars/mlrs/its own container, 205# warhead, 3' cep, penetrates 3' of reinforced concrete, cheaper than flying lawnmowers, plentiful enough to be spammed like gmlrs... yeah, the dzhankoi helicopter base/rail hub is about to get pwnt lol. it's a shame that they don't have cameras, wars exist only to demonstrate weapons so i may cum.

another recent ukrainian deployment is this ai system which lets their drones carry out autonomous attacks when russia denies their c2/navigation...

...but soon they'll be upgrading to this... i can't wait for the overmatch meta :wow:
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