Russia's Invasion of Ukraine (Official Thread)

[jj23]

What the hell is Jordan talking about?

The fukk?

 

[Unemployed GM]

Putin is smarter, more disciplined and more calculated than both those other cats

That and he has a way more capable army than they did.

He is not saddam or Gaddafi.

Y'all are stuck on Soviet this and USSR that. The man legit just spent an hour describing the Soviet era as a mistake and a betrayal to the Russian people

He does not consider the USSR the glory days. He considers the Russian Empire the glory days. I don't know why that's hard to come to terms with.

This is a re-establishment of pre-Soviet Russia. The Soviets literally gave away the places he is taking back.

He's not a communist.
He's not a USSR rose-tinted nostalgisr.

He's the anti-thesis of both.

shyt Putin is even more delusional than I thought.

 

[Neo. The Only. The One.]

Ukraine got these fools making hostage videos

 

[Neo. The Only. The One.]

A Russian missile hit a Turkish ship

 

[Eye Cue DA COLI GAWD]

This is not like Iraq

Russia and Ukraine have history and border each other.

One was an occupation, other is for eternity

Ukraine is the gateway to the western Europe for Russia. How can y'all underestimate what this does to the rest of the world?

One poster called me unhinged but didn't use the word for Putin

Putin bombing western Ukraine like it's not within miles of a handful of NATO countries and y'all like "Putin is a capitalist who hangs with rich people. No big deal"

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Geopolitics and environmentalism clashing directly. German Greens are anti-nuclear energy and helped shut down their nuclear production capabilities. Ensured biggest economy in Western Europe cannot disassociate itself from Russia, no matter what they do.

at least Germany will never go to war again

 

[Neo. The Only. The One.]

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Kinda hard to kill your fellow slavs

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Exactly. That's the whole point. This is worse than "oh boy Soviets Part 2". This is a man acting with the belief that he is the next Great and operating on some holy call to undo the last century of Russian struggling and belittlement by the west. He's going back to where at all started.

the only difference between him and Hitler is that his name is Putin

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

A Russian missile hit a Turkish ship

Erdogan waking up like

 

[Voice of Reason]

This is not like Iraq

Russia and Ukraine have history and border each other.

One was an occupation, other is for eternity

Ukraine is the gateway to the western Europe for Russia. How can y'all underestimate what this does to the rest of the world?

One poster called me unhinged but didn't use the word for Putin

Putin bombing western Ukraine like it's not within miles of a handful of NATO countries and y'all like "Putin is a capitalist who hangs with rich people. No big deal"

I know it's not Iraq but the largest invasion in recent history thing is spurious.

 

[King Kreole]

Breh, point and shoot.

What are you asking here? Russian ground forces are moving in and civilians can help damage them.

US soldiers were getting killed all the time in Afghanistan and Iraq by non military civilians.

Now put your big boy pants on, steel your resolve and stop doubting.

Russia is gonna take some heavy losses when they reach urban districts

America was a completely foreign nation invading though. They didn't speak the language or share the same religion and ancestry as the people they were invading. So it was conceptually easier for the Afgahn abd Iraqi civilians to launch a protracted and costly insurgency against American forces. Ukraine voted in pro-Russian leaders less than 10 years ago. They were a part of the same Union for the vast majority of the 20th century and have an intertwined history going back even further than that. I question the idea that the average Ukranian has the same resolve to fight the Russians that the Afghan and Iraqi people did to fight the Americans. Especially if Putin isn't officially annexing Ukraine and just installing a puppet government. Can definitely see American-backed pro-Western forces keeping it up, especially at the behest of the American Military Industrial Complex and weapons manufacturers, but it would be like the NRF in Afghanistan. The die has been cast. Russia simply has much more at stake in Ukraine than the West.

 

[GnauzBookOfRhymes]

at this point anything is possible, he’s feeling pretty confident right now

This is a lot more dangerous than people want to admit. European Wars always have a tendency to spread and unlike the prior occupations this looks like a war

The Red Flag/Cold War II has officially started. Are you dense? Putin is going West. You probably didn't think Putin would attack western Ukraine.

This is just the Russian version of "shock and awe." Hoping to push Ukraine to negotiating table before a full on invasion. Obviously this is compelling news so everyone will be talking about how this might be WoRLD waR 3!!!

The US and EU/NATO has known this day was coming for years.

If they actually cared to prevent this from happening they would've allowed Ukraine into NATO.

Most of the messaging coming out now from the US/Europe is for public consumption. They want you guys to think that they are "shocked" and "appalled" by Putin's behavior bc that keeps your energy on Russian misbehavior/belligerence, rather than the weakness (and greed) of SUCCESSIVE US and European governments which basically rolled out a red carpet for this invasion.

If you guys really want to understand this process you should go to WaPo Columnist Jamal Khashoggi killed by Saudis in Turkey; Senators Mull Magnitsky Sanctions

Remember when Khashoggi's murder was all that everyone wanted to talk about? How it was going to fundamentally change US Saudi relationship?

Remember how the media was all up in arms about one of their own being murdered?

Remember all of the big time CEOs pulling out of the Davos Conference being held in Saudi Arabia?

But then nothing happened, the world moved on.

I said this EXACTLY one month ago (JANUARY 24).

Everything the US and EU are doing and saying right now is just to save face - they have already sacrificed Ukraine.

The Germans need Russian gas.

The British are addicted to Russian money.

The French actually like Putin.

The US would happily allow Putin to take Eastern Ukraine in exchange for help with issues like Iran and to chill out with hacking US computer networks.

A week later I pointed out the following:

Kremlin Slams ‘Alarming’ British Threat to Seize Oligarchs’ Property - The Moscow Times

This is the only thing putin fears. Remember that Russia is actually ruled as a partnership. Putin is the face/elected leader. The oligarchs/intel services are his constituency. It's one of those uneasy alliances. Putin can't allow the oligarchs to be sanctioned etc bc that fuks up all of their money. If he can't successfully use the Russian state to protect their interests they can easily replace him. At the same time the oligarchs as a whole have to help project the notion that putin is all powerful...if individual oligarchs start challenging him or act in a way that undermines their authority he will punish them, either publicly (remember those videos of putin embarrassing deripaska, or look at what he did to khorodovsky) or privately (killing Berezovsky).

Whatever sanctions imposed right now will end up falling on the backs of ordinary Russians, not the power structure. And that is by design. These sanctions are again for public consumption purposes. It makes people think that the US/EU is standing up to Russia bc they are only looking on the surface. When push comes to shove any sanctions that would DIRECTLY attack Putin's power base are REJECTED. Germany is REFUSING to block Russian banks from SWIFT and the UK will never go after illicit Russian money/assets.

Germany made a big fuss of not certifying Nordstream 2, but again this is a MEANINGLESS gesture. First of all the pipeline is ALREADY BUILT and the EU financed it. There is ZERO percent chance that the Germans, Brits etc are going to be OK with having spent billions of dollars to build a pipeline and just let it sit unused. Secondly, the pipeline wasn't even scheduled to be open for use until the end of the year (by which point no one will even give a fukk about Ukraine anymore). Finally the EU has been preparing for this and have already imported a ton of gas from the US to make sure any short term supply issues can be mitigated.

Oil at $125 and rising who said the commodity booms are dead?

Germany only cares about oil /energy prices

EXACTLY. One of the things trump did successfully was to convince the Germans to create more space between themselves and the US. In their minds why provoke the Russians (who don't pose a danger to Germany) if in 2 years the next GOP president goes back to kissing Russian ass?

"Respect for US foreign policy threats is the lowest it's ever been in modern history. It is too late to stop Putin if they decide to launch a war. If they don't attack it means they've exacted a HUGE concession (bribe) from the US/EU. Another part of me thinks he's also motivated to stir shyt up bc it keeps oil prices high. Russia has been making BANK recently. Maybe they're worried that if the world economy starts cooling down, falling oil prices will take big chunk from bottom line."

That started the clock to this shyt. That’s one of the things I didn’t forget from the Kiev Beyond Thunderdome thread in 2014. It was clear that Ukraine was a red line then and is still a red line now.

Russia has been crossing so called red lines since 2007/8 with no real response.

People are failing to understand that Putin is exactly what we have been joking about for years. Dude is hardcore ex KGB, he is not going out like Sadam or Gaddafi, dude has literally said he will take half of the civilized world with him.

Breh why is everything the end of the world with you lol. Now that COVID is no longer going to kill us all now it's nuclear war

Doesn't Putin have Parkinson's or something? Dude seems like a maniac rn. If u not gonna occupy Ukraine, then what r u going to do?

He's going to occupy big chunk of Eastern Ukraine. With US/EU tacit approval.

Said this Monday

They'll take over parts of Ukraine. Sanctions will be imposed, Russia will suffer economically, Putin and Co. will blame the west for Russian troubles, sanctions regime will be weakened or circumvented so zero chance it will affect Russian behavior.

Then in 6 months the media and a lot of you guys will move onto concentrating fully on midterm elections.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

USA does this shyt way better

Russia looking flabby n sick right now...

if this was the USA invading, Russia wouldn't have videos leaking out like this

we wouldn't be losing helicopters the FIRST DAY

Ain't no one taking pot shots at our vehicles the FIRST DAY

And our opening barrage is knocking that whole system offline

Russians acting like they aint even know what they're doing there