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If it was that easy it would've already happened.

The problem isn't whether or not they can prove Trump did anything illegal. In reality the problem is politics. There aren't enough people in power that actually want to get rid of him. The GOP base still loves Trump and because of that Republicans aren't going to impeach him for fear of pissing them off. Unless Trump actually loses popularity with his base they won't do anything.
Do you think before you post? You better be under the age of 21 thinking this way.

You don't just indict the fukking president.

You take your time and have ALL your ducks in a row.

Stop saying it "would have happened already"

Obama and Hillary and the US Govt knew what Trump did in 2016...but the MFer won. All of Congress knows too.

So we have to play the game until we get the public on board. Thus the methodical leaking of stories, the structuring of legal procedure, the weaning of the public off of his toxic brand.

All of this is being planned to provide the country with the softest (it'll be very hard) landing possible.

The government is WAAAAY ahead of you. These people aren't stupid. They know the risks of whats about to happen.
 

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Definitely nah to the first part. If you get arrested with 10 bricks in January 2016 you can probably stretch the trial out til Jan 17, This is international political crimes+ a bunch of other shyt.

To the second part, I don't agree. The corker interview is evidence, his support among people who identify as R's is dropping. Couldn't disagree more.
Always consider that anything you've heard was selectively cultivated to sway opinion.

i.e.

the government selected several stories to prepare the public about whats about to happen. The public is basically the jury for the indictments about to be laid upon trump. The lines of evidence have been introduced, substantiated, and defended in the public sphere.

All thats left to do is to sentence him.

Annnnd this is only the declassified stuff. Imagine the inaccessible evidence. Imagine the stuff the US Gov't won't release due to sources and methods. Imagine the stuff they're saving for trial.

We have only just begun, and its already damning.
 

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From the polls I've seen, Trump is more popular with Republican voters than the GOP.


Trump might be losing support among Republican politicians, but not so much with his voters. And GOP politicians aren't going to risk the wrath of their base, even if they don't like Trump personally. I don't really know why (other than pure :mjpls:) but Trump's base is extremely loyal.
stop confusing the public with the government.

The public is full of idiots.

Even the most ardent republican is playing the game.

Pay attention to how these members of congress speak. They know Trump is fukked.
 

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shyt was Facebook really created by Russia to :ohhh:

Wouldn't say created, but maybe they saw the potential later on?

I think Facebook is just trying to hide how they'll work hand in glove with anyone with enough marketing dollars. Looking like advertising mercenaries, only rather than having to create ads/campaigns that need to appeal to the public - they can promise the ability to target users subconsciously.
 

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Do you think before you post? You better be under the age of 21 thinking this way.

You don't just indict the fukking president.

You take your time and have ALL your ducks in a row.

Stop saying it "would have happened already"

Obama and Hillary and the US Govt knew what Trump did in 2016...but the MFer won. All of Congress knows too.

So we have to play the game until we get the public on board. Thus the methodical leaking of stories, the structuring of legal procedure, the weaning of the public off of his toxic brand.

All of this is being planned to provide the country with the softest (it'll be very hard) landing possible.

The government is WAAAAY ahead of you. These people aren't stupid. They know the risks of whats about to happen.

That's my point.

Whether he obviously committed a crime or not it's still very difficult to indict the president and he might well get off. Getting the public on board might be impossible (at least the people who aren't already on board) and Republicans probably just aren't going to vote to impeach unless his poll numbers are astronomically low. I'd love to believe the "he's fukked" talk but after he got elected I learned my lesson about overestimating the public.
 

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So far, to my knowledge, there has been no explanation as to what type of coverage these plans may provide:manny:

I find the “across the state lines” idea ridiculous. What type of network would be in plan with an out of state network?

Looking at shrinking (Obamacare) networks, with virtually no specialist hospitals in network, one can only dread the prospects of an “out of state” network. Competition for no benefits.:shaq2:


It's gonna get tied up in the courts anyway:pacspit:

The EO is in violation of the interstate commerce laws.. Trump bout to take his 20th L this year
 

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That's my point.

Whether he obviously committed a crime or not it's still very difficult to indict the president and he might well get off. Getting the public on board might be impossible (at least the people who aren't already on board) and Republicans probably just aren't going to vote to impeach unless his poll numbers are astronomically low. I'd love to believe the "he's fukked" talk but after he got elected I learned my lesson about overestimating the public.
Its October. He was inaugurated in January.

This is the federal government.

Slow your roll breh.
 

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That's my point.

Whether he obviously committed a crime or not it's still very difficult to indict the president and he might well get off. Getting the public on board might be impossible (at least the people who aren't already on board) and Republicans probably just aren't going to vote to impeach unless his poll numbers are astronomically low. I'd love to believe the "he's fukked" talk but after he got elected I learned my lesson about overestimating the public.
Why are you talking like I don't know the stakes and/or am not prepared for someone getting off?
 

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That's my point.

Whether he obviously committed a crime or not it's still very difficult to indict the president and he might well get off. Getting the public on board might be impossible (at least the people who aren't already on board) and Republicans probably just aren't going to vote to impeach unless his poll numbers are astronomically low. I'd love to believe the "he's fukked" talk but after he got elected I learned my lesson about overestimating the public.
Trump has to go down. There is no alternative. He must get nailed to the fukkin wall.
 

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Trump has to go down. There is no alternative. He must get nailed to the fukkin wall.
Again, for the 1000th time.

I really do not think people understand the extent of the unprecedented and high level classified information that leaked to the public to justify the mueller probe.
 

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Uh...guys...

This is a big fućking deal.

This precisely lays out why Preet Bharara was fired.

OBSTRUCTION. OF. JUSTICE.

HOOOOOOLY FUCCCCKKKKKKK :damn::damn::damn::damn:




Opinion | The man at the crux the of U.S.-Turkey dispute is about to go on trial


The man at the crux of the U.S.-Turkey dispute is about to go on trial

By David Ignatius :wow:

October 12, 2017 at 8:03 PM



At the center of the increasingly bitter dispute between the United States and Turkey is a demand by an irate President Recep Tayyip Erdogan that American prosecutors free a Turkish-Iranian gold dealer who is about to go on trial on money-laundering and fraud charges.

The confrontation sharpened Thursday, as Erdogan protested in Ankara that the businessman, Reza Zarrab, was being squeezed as a "false witness" about corruption. Turkey alarmed Washington by arresting a U.S. consular official last week, in what some U.S. officials feared was an attempt to gain leverage for Zarrab's release before the scheduled Nov. 27 start of his trial in New York. Turkish and American officials plan to meet next week for talks to ease tensions.


What dirt could Zarrab dish in court? A possible preview comes in a May 2016 court filing by then-U.S. Attorney Preet Bharara
. Citing a December 2013 Turkish prosecutor's report, Bharara's memo said the Turkish evidence "describes a massive bribery scheme executed by Zarrab and others, paying cabinet-level governmental officials and high-level bank officers tens of millions of Euro and U.S. dollars to facilitate Zarrab's network's transactions for the benefit of Iran" to evade U.S. sanctions against that country. Bharara's memo noted that these "conclusions are corroborated by emails obtained through the FBI's investigation."

Erdogan's campaign to free Zarrab has been extraordinary. He demanded his release as well as the firing of Bharara in a private meeting with then-Vice President Joe Biden on Sept. 21, 2016, in which U.S. officials say half the 90-minute conversation was devoted to Zarrab. Erdogan's wife pleaded the case that night to Jill Biden. Turkey's then-justice minister, Bekir Bozdag, visited then-Attorney General Loretta E. Lynch in October to argue that the case was "based on no evidence" and that Zarrab should be released.

Erdogan appealed personally about the matter in his last two phone calls with President Barack Obama, in December and early January, former aides say. "Our operating assumption was that Erdogan's obsession with the case was that if it moved forward, information would come out that would damage his family, and ultimately him," said one former senior Obama official.


Erdogan's government began cultivating Donald Trump's team before the election. Michael Flynn, then a campaign aide, was hired as a pro-Turkey lobbyist, and his firm continued to receive Turkish money during the transition. After Flynn resigned as national security adviser in February, the Turks began working with Rudy Giuliani, a close Trump adviser. :weebaynanimated:

The case is toxic to Erdogan because it intersects with his nemesis, the self- exiled Turkish cleric Fethullah Gulen, who lives in Pennsylvania. Erdogan blames Gulen's followers for gathering and leaking the 2013 evidence about Zarrab, which Turkish media reports say included allegations against Erdogan's family. When Erdogan met with Biden a year ago, he claimed bizarrely that Bharara was a Gulenist tool, according to a former official.

Giuliani's involvement is one of the many unusual aspects of this case.:ohhh:
He contacted Bharara on Feb. 24 to inform him that he planned to travel to Ankara on Zarrab's behalf. Trump fired Bharara in March; around that time, Giuliani began pressing the Justice Department for "some agreement between the United States and Turkey" to aid American "security interests" and help Zarrab, Giuliani said in a filing with the court.

Despite these various attempts to halt the prosecution, the case rolled forward — and even broadened in an expanded indictment last month that named a former Turkish cabinet minister and three other prominent Turks. Then- Justice Minister Bozdag on Sept. 11 condemned the expanded charges as another "coup attempt." Erdogan sees Gulenist plotting behind the 2013 allegations against his inner circle and a failed July 2016 military coup.

Erdogan may have hoped that Trump would support his push to free Zarrab. And Trump initially seemed sympathetic to the Turkish leader, inviting him to Washington for a May meeting. But that visit was marred when Erdogan's security detail attacked protesters outside the Turkish ambassador's residence; and Trump's maneuvering room has narrowed because of investigations surrounding his administration.

Some U.S. officials fear that Erdogan might be seeking bargaining chips in the detention of pastor Andrew Brunson, arrested a year ago on charges he backed Gulen, and the arrest last week of Metin Topuz, a longtime employee of the U.S. consulate in Istanbul, who a Turkish newspaper has alleged was in contact with a pro-Gulen prosecutor back in 2013. And Erdogan himself suggested last month a trade of Brunson for Gulen.

The phrase "NATO ally" is repeated so often about Turkey that it obscures how adversarial and autocratic recent Turkish actions have been. Washington is worried about what's next.

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