Nah I saw a stat though that 49er wrs have more yac than any team in the league. I put that on shanny playcalling though. I do defer do @feelosofer point and guwop hasnt really had a great deep threat yet, but I don't think he is a great deep ball thrower, he just throws underneath to mid range.That’s kinda silly, cuz what QB doesn’t rely on YAC? This ain’t Madden where you choose some shotgun play and run around for 10 seconds while guys go out route.
Plus we tried that “bomb it out” shyt earlier in the year and it just wasn’t working.
That’s why we benched Goodwin and Pettis while trading for Sanders and elevating Deebo..
We learned will quickly that Goodwin ain’t Hill or Watkins
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Bryan Danielson
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But here’s my thing though..... last decade the Niners were one of the bottom teams for YAC.
Like that was like a lot of our criticism with the Harbaugh teams...... Crabtree was like the most YACless niccas we’ve ever had, every time he caught a pass, either he got put down or only got like 3 yards.
Majority of that decade none of our WRs got YAC..... so I’m not gonna be shamed or feel guilty cuz they getting it now.
nikkas wanna act like I’m saying some foreign shyt tho lol.
What percentage of that are you giving to shanny vs guwop though. cuz when I watch most of that seems play design and shanny schemes. it seems any qb could hit those throws. the playcalling creates a lot of confusion for defenses hence all the motion and the exotic run game
You the one that @ me. This is an open discussion and I simply put my opinion
Bryan Danielson
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You the one that stated your opinion in our thread.... so we have the right to respond accordingly
That’s a fact. My opinion was more like a statement tho.You the one that stated your opinion in our thread.... so we have the right to respond accordingly
Bryan Danielson
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What percentage of that are you giving to shanny vs guwop though. cuz when I watch most of that seems play design and shanny schemes. it seems any qb could hit those throws. the playcalling creates a lot of confusion for defenses hence all the motion and the exotic run game
Well..... Hoyer and Beathard couldn’t do it and we something like 3-22 without Jimmy and 22-4 with Jimmy.
But I’m sure you gonna ignore that
You know why YAC matters?
It shows one of a few things:
1) your receiver is able to make moves in the open-field, which is demoralizing to the opposition.
2) your receivers are getting a lot of separation to make the catch and keep moving, which is demoralizing to the opposition.
3) your receivers are schemed into a position to be more open than they should... say it with me now... which is demoralizing to the opposition.
Those big plays are great and all, I love me a 50 yard bomb as much as the next person watching football, but watching a TE, a RB, a Deebo (nikka ain't a WR. Cuh a race car with a cow-catcher and tank treads) take a 5 yard catch and turn it into 30+ is miserable. Seeing it happen from one person was bad enough, when Kittle was running over dudes, but knowing you can't rotate coverage away from one side toward him because there's someone lined up on the other side who might do the same thing is depressing.
The problem is, you have to have the threat of hurting a team that decides they're gonna neutralize that by going 8+ in the box. You have to, especially as a run-first team, because the same way you neutralize those running lanes is the same way you take away those underneath routes, and those two things can't be a team's whole offensive identity without it being eventually stifled.
Deep balls must be thrown; at least once a game. And not on 3rd and forever, either. Not saying you gotta hit all those deep balls. But you at least have to make them worried about what might happen if you do. Goodwin were he not injured constantly woulda been a good gadget piece for stuff like that. The team should definitely look into a smaller-school WR who gets in that 4.3 range at the combine, even way late round. Someone to open the game up, force some spacing.
It shows one of a few things:
1) your receiver is able to make moves in the open-field, which is demoralizing to the opposition.
2) your receivers are getting a lot of separation to make the catch and keep moving, which is demoralizing to the opposition.
3) your receivers are schemed into a position to be more open than they should... say it with me now... which is demoralizing to the opposition.
Those big plays are great and all, I love me a 50 yard bomb as much as the next person watching football, but watching a TE, a RB, a Deebo (nikka ain't a WR. Cuh a race car with a cow-catcher and tank treads) take a 5 yard catch and turn it into 30+ is miserable. Seeing it happen from one person was bad enough, when Kittle was running over dudes, but knowing you can't rotate coverage away from one side toward him because there's someone lined up on the other side who might do the same thing is depressing.
The problem is, you have to have the threat of hurting a team that decides they're gonna neutralize that by going 8+ in the box. You have to, especially as a run-first team, because the same way you neutralize those running lanes is the same way you take away those underneath routes, and those two things can't be a team's whole offensive identity without it being eventually stifled.
Deep balls must be thrown; at least once a game. And not on 3rd and forever, either. Not saying you gotta hit all those deep balls. But you at least have to make them worried about what might happen if you do. Goodwin were he not injured constantly woulda been a good gadget piece for stuff like that. The team should definitely look into a smaller-school WR who gets in that 4.3 range at the combine, even way late round. Someone to open the game up, force some spacing.
I remember crabtree getting plenty of YAC his last couple of years here.
But the way this offense is schemed, with the types of receivers we have now, they have much more potential. Plus i think jimmy throws those routes well where guys can make plays and keep running.
Bryan Danielson
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Not as much as you would think he should for someone that wanted to be the #1.
I don’t think he ever lead the team in receiving yards.
Boldin or VD did
2012 i think is the only year. VD coulda been a yac monster but he just didnt have the agility to turn short catches into bigger plays.
feelosofer
#ninergang
Guwop can throw the deep ball when he has to but only likes to do it when he's 100% it's going to land. Yes we were league leaders in YAC and that is a testament to Deebo and Kittle as well as guys like Juice and RB crew making some plays in space but if you noticed we were playing in 8 man boxes a lot of time and what happened in some of the 3 losses that we had is that teams will 'manage' the run game in a sense by keeping the huge runs from happening and forcing Jimmy to make throws in tight windows without respecting the idea that if a WR broke loose, Jimmy would throw a bomb and burn the defense. Even in the Rams game that big throw Jimmy threw on 3rd and 15 twice was part him but also part blown coverage by the Rams defense. We need a Julio Jones type to really make the offense complete, imo, someone who can just go and get it.
Side Note: After the ACL tear Jimmy will not run with the ball unless he absolutely has to.
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Bryan Danielson
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Goodwin was supposed to be out Hill and Watkins.
People forget that cuz early on all you heard about him was his “speed” and how he’s going to take the top off.
But he can’t consistently catch so we moved on from him.
That first Seattle game was his final nail in his coffin
feelosofer
#ninergang
Remember that 1 year we had Randy Moss. Dude was
and just ran go routes all year and teams still had to respect it.
