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Anymore stories about Marvin or his pops ?


Marvin and his father relationship was complex. Marvins dad was jealous of him.

Like Marvin handled his business and looked out for his family and made sure his father was good but his dad couldn't handle the fact Marvin was successful.



His father was going to kill him anyway and needed an excuse to do it ( in my opinion)
 

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Anymore stories about Marvin or his pops ?
molested by his uncles

dad was a cross dressing minister

married berry gordy's sister(Anna) to maintain his spot at Motown

him and Anna used to participate in orgies
usually Marvin would smoke weed and watch Anna have sex with other men :mjlol:


Marvin was paranoid to the fact he gave his dad a gun to protect him from his enemies
the same gun he would use to kill Marvin

after Marvin divorced Anna he married 17 year old Janis Hunter
her mother literally pimped her out to older musicians

she claimed to have slept with Frankie Beverly,Rick James,and Teddy Pendergrass
Marvin used to call Rick James and threaten to kick his ass
 
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Marvin and his father relationship was complex. Marvins dad was jealous of him.

Like Marvin handled his business and looked out for his family and made sure his father was good but his dad couldn't handle the fact Marvin was successful.



His father was going to kill him anyway and needed an excuse to do it ( in my opinion)
As I got older this story really left me with a :dahell: face probably the saddest story just for fact his pops killed him
 

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I thought David Ruffin did the most damage??
Then again, life with Tammi surely had its fringe benefits. Nothing close to the precious, fragile protagonist on the classic duets she would record with Marvin Gaye, her image could best be summed up by a line from one of those duets — “I play the game, a fantasy. I pretend but I’m not in reality.” The real Terrell was a hard-drinking, hard-loving, foulmouthed, erratic hornet of a woman — a virtual analog of Ruffin himself. And as she had done while with James Brown, she may have worn the consequences of it all over her body during her sadomasochistic romance with Ruffin.
Most of Motown, including Gordy, who lusted for her as well, looked away from the welts and bruises Terrellcouldn’t hide, rationalizing that she not only willingly stayed in the relationship but never really complained about it. Further, there was the old chestnut that if she was being slapped around, it was just “David being David.” Even today, Otis is no more committal about the subject than the clipped understatement that “David could be kinda rough on a lady at times.”
Within the Motown fraternity, who as students of Gordy were inured to see and treat women as mere objects, neither is Terrell much of a martyr, or even a victim. Because she gave as good as she got, some wonder just which of these two wretched souls had been more abused by the other. Otis, in fact, says that before Terrell hit town, he had “heard things” about her.
“When you’re out there on the road like we were, you hear and see things. We knew all about Tammi and James Brown. We knew how James Brown was about women, that he would flip a woman’s ass. And back then, you wouldn’t ever get the woman’s side so people would assume, family or not, he flipped her ass because she provoked him to.”
Adds Billy Wilson, “When Tammi came to Motown, she as damaged goods, mentally and physically, because of James Brown having beaten the shyt out of her. She was a hostile firecracker, a hot-tempered girl, a real handful. And what happened was, Genna was … see, not everybody kissed his ass. Genna didn’t. She was a thorn in his side. So when she’d gotten kind of dumpy, David went hustling on some major p*ssy. That was the difference between David and the rest of the Tempts. Otis never got major p*ssy. Melvin, Paul, Eddie; they had to settle for lesser p*ssy. David got major p*ssy. Let me tell you, Tammi Terrell was major p*ssy.
“Of course, she also was an accident waiting to happen. She was wild, she’d been turned on to drugs, hard drugs, cocaine. She got David hooked on drugs. That’s a fact. Look, David was an accident waiting to happen too, but she got him into all his destructive behavior. Him roughing her up, I’m not making excuses for that. But it was a factor of what Tammiwas.
And so, whoever was more to blame, these codependents in madness and excess just went ondestroying each other, and for Ruffin the worst consequences of getting “major p*ssy” would become all too clear, all too soon.
 

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a little more on Sam Cooke


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The personal inventory of Cooke’s corpse included a wristwatch and a jacket with a money clip containing $108 and some loose change in the pocket. Oh, and a single shoe. Police found a bottle of Scotch and a copy of the newspaper “Muhammad Speaks” in the back seat of Sam’s cherry red Ferrari. The pile of clothes Elisa said she stashed under a stairwell were never found as was Cooke’s wallet containing a driver’s license and credit cards (no subsequent purchases were ever made with the cards). A search of Boyer’s purse showed that she had only a twenty dollar bill. Sam Cooke is believed to have retrieved $5,000 in cash from a safe deposit box earlier in the day. Al Schmitt reported that Sam was flashing about $1,000 at the bar the night before. It has never been determined where that money went.
At 6 a.m., Sam’s widow Barbara greeted the news with hysterics, trying to shield their two young children from reporters and fans who were gathering at their house. At a coroner’s inquest five days later, Elisa Boyer, Bertha Franklin, Evelyn Carr and other witnesses recounted their stories in a short hearing that barely allowed Sam’s lawyer enough time to ask one question. In just two hours, the inquest was complete. Tests showed that at the time of death, Sam had a blood alcohol level of .16 (twice the legal limit for driving). The shooting was ruled “justifiable homicide.” and the case was closed.
Sam Cooke’s L.A. funeral included three full days of viewing. His $4,000 casket was specially fitted with a glass top to allow his fans (including heavyweight boxing champion Cassius Clay, a.k.a. Muhammad Ali) one last look. Cooke’s remains were flown to Chicago for a funeral service in his hometown then returned to Hollywood for another funeral. The Staple Singers, Lou Rawls, Billy Preston and Ray Charles all presented musical tributes to Sam. Sam Cooke’s body was buried in the “Garden of Honor” in Hollywood’s Forest Lawn cemetery just a few miles away from his home. There he rests alongside some of the biggest names in the history of Hollywood: Clark Gable, Carole Lombard, Jimmy Stewart, Jean Harlow, Humphrey Bogart, Mary Pickford, Errol Flynn, Spencer Tracy, George Burns & Gracie Allen, W.C. Fields, Tom Mix, Sammy Davis Jr., Walt Disney, Red Skelton, Ted Knight, Nat King Cole, William Boyd (“Hopalong Cassidy”) plus western author Louis L’Amour and the Wizard of Oz’s L. Frank Baum.
Although he sang like one, Sam Cooke was no angel. He was always known as a womanizer. As his friend Bumps Blackwell once said, “Sam would walk past a good girl to get to a hooker.” Over the span of a five week period from March to April 1952, three young women each gave birth to a daughter fathered by Cooke. He was beset by paternity lawsuits up until his death and most were quietly settled with payoffs. Despite his gospel music roots, he epitomized the Hollywood lifestyle: Live fast, die young and leave a good-looking corpse.
As for Barbara Cooke, her husband’s infidelity was nothing new to her and likewise, she was no angel herself. Keep in mind that the couple was still dealing with the loss of their toddler son Vincent, who drowned in the pool of the family’s Hollywood home in June of the previous year — a tragedy that many said Sam still blamed her for. At the time of Sam’s tragic death, she was having an affair with a local bartender. On the day of Sam’s funeral, friends and family were aghast when her paramour showed up wearing Sam’s ring and the watch he was wearing at the time of his death.
 
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a little more on Sam Cooke


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The personal inventory of Cooke’s corpse included a wristwatch and a jacket with a money clip containing $108 and some loose change in the pocket. Oh, and a single shoe. Police found a bottle of Scotch and a copy of the newspaper “Muhammad Speaks” in the back seat of Sam’s cherry red Ferrari. The pile of clothes Elisa said she stashed under a stairwell were never found as was Cooke’s wallet containing a driver’s license and credit cards (no subsequent purchases were ever made with the cards). A search of Boyer’s purse showed that she had only a twenty dollar bill. Sam Cooke is believed to have retrieved $5,000 in cash from a safe deposit box earlier in the day. Al Schmitt reported that Sam was flashing about $1,000 at the bar the night before. It has never been determined where that money went.
At 6 a.m., Sam’s widow Barbara greeted the news with hysterics, trying to shield their two young children from reporters and fans who were gathering at their house. At a coroner’s inquest five days later, Elisa Boyer, Bertha Franklin, Evelyn Carr and other witnesses recounted their stories in a short hearing that barely allowed Sam’s lawyer enough time to ask one question. In just two hours, the inquest was complete. Tests showed that at the time of death, Sam had a blood alcohol level of .16 (twice the legal limit for driving). The shooting was ruled “justifiable homicide.” and the case was closed.
Sam Cooke’s L.A. funeral included three full days of viewing. His $4,000 casket was specially fitted with a glass top to allow his fans (including heavyweight boxing champion Cassius Clay, a.k.a. Muhammad Ali) one last look. Cooke’s remains were flown to Chicago for a funeral service in his hometown then returned to Hollywood for another funeral. The Staple Singers, Lou Rawls, Billy Preston and Ray Charles all presented musical tributes to Sam. Sam Cooke’s body was buried in the “Garden of Honor” in Hollywood’s Forest Lawn cemetery just a few miles away from his home. There he rests alongside some of the biggest names in the history of Hollywood: Clark Gable, Carole Lombard, Jimmy Stewart, Jean Harlow, Humphrey Bogart, Mary Pickford, Errol Flynn, Spencer Tracy, George Burns & Gracie Allen, W.C. Fields, Tom Mix, Sammy Davis Jr., Walt Disney, Red Skelton, Ted Knight, Nat King Cole, William Boyd (“Hopalong Cassidy”) plus western author Louis L’Amour and the Wizard of Oz’s L. Frank Baum.
Although he sang like one, Sam Cooke was no angel. He was always known as a womanizer. As his friend Bumps Blackwell once said, “Sam would walk past a good girl to get to a hooker.” Over the span of a five week period from March to April 1952, three young women each gave birth to a daughter fathered by Cooke. He was beset by paternity lawsuits up until his death and most were quietly settled with payoffs. Despite his gospel music roots, he epitomized the Hollywood lifestyle: Live fast, die young and leave a good-looking corpse.
As for Barbara Cooke, her husband’s infidelity was nothing new to her and likewise, she was no angel herself. Keep in mind that the couple was still dealing with the loss of their toddler son Vincent, who drowned in the pool of the family’s Hollywood home in June of the previous year — a tragedy that many said Sam still blamed her for. At the time of Sam’s tragic death, she was having an affair with a local bartender. On the day of Sam’s funeral, friends and family were aghast when her paramour showed up wearing Sam’s ring and the watch he was wearing at the time of his death.
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Sam Cooke, his wife, daughter, and the Womacks was all shytty people. Low key all deserved each other.:mindblown:
 

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