Roland Martin Goes One-On-One With Dr. Umar Johnson

[Uncle Hotep]

And we're talking about how useless it was.

The discussion really didn't have enough much merit or depth. Not surprising coming from you.

It's also not surprising that you're only interested in it getting hits since that's your whole shtick as well. He's just a better paid version of what you aspire to be.

yet you cant discuss his points just attack his character just like that trash ass publication you referenced...
The majority of blacks with any sense will listen and say his words have some merit...but since it doesnt include the white liberal blacks like you cant co sign it and have to attack it...

 

[AndroidHero]

"you a c00n."
"You're an idiot."
"You don't know all 193 million white people."

Your signature, can you link me to the thread where he said that?

 

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Your signature, can you link me to the thread where he said that?

its unfortunate but when it comes to immigration the white supremacists are correct,

http://www.thecoli.com/posts/25457516/

 

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yet you cant discuss his points just attack his character just like that trash ass publication you referenced...
The majority of blacks with any sense will listen and say his words have some merit...but since it doesnt include the white liberal blacks like you cant co sign it and have to attack it...

The points he made didn't stand up to the criticism presented on the show.

1.)Saying that the work that white person does in regards to civil rights is meaningless because all white people aren't is just idiot talk.

By contrast, would we say that individual acts of racism should also be written off if they aren't "systemic."

2.)The concept on rebuilding the black family:
Cool

3.)Being Pan-African instead of AA:
I don't see the need to co-opt Africa, that has it's own unique struggles and history (Africa isn't a monolith) in order to forge the concept of black identity. I assume his logic is to create one he feels is more positive and not completely based around the slave narrative, but considering all of his other rhetoric is based around the AA experience it appears as just a way to get people to buy into his spiel.

It is also no congruent with his lineage argument.

4.) His credentials should be called into Question. This is probably my biggest swipe at him. He's the product of the American education system, spent most of his life in it, works in it, and touts his degrees as an avenue to give himself credentials to speak on what he wants.

Here's the problem, he's making his money off of his traditional education, but is then telling people they need to focus on learning a trade. If that's the case, his trade is hustling?

5.)He says, it's not about me...but then his argument for why people should do anything is about getting respect from him.

6.)he has heroes who are bi-racial, but he doesn't respect the marriage they came from.
7.)He doesn't care what amount of work that black people do for black people. Frederick Douglas is a c00n to him.
8.) Then he uses Douglas as being his ancestor, being his kin, or not telling people he isn't a descendant when referred to one.
9)I won't even get into his homophobia. After all the black men are taken, black women are going to have to either become lesbians or marry white people and lose his respect.
10.)nikka talking about, I got the most You Tube views of any scholars.
11.)nikka out there lying about his heritage and his PhD.
12.)Yall love these nikkas that talk over people and talk in circles, but that nikka was on tv for 18 minutes and made maybe 1 point.

 

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YouTube Hotep nikka shytting on Frederick Douglas.

 

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nikka took people's money, but can't show where it's going. Can't show a business plan. Can't show why it's failing. Showing himself incapable of ACTUALLY being a leader.

*Hustle for clicks

 

[JahFocus CS]

3.)Being Pan-African instead of AA:
I don't see the need to co-opt Africa

How can you co-opt your own ancestry?

You're either Afrikan or American. Can't be both. That's his point.

6.)he has heroes who are bi-racial, but he doesn't respect the marriage they came from.

Not sure why this is funny, the child had nothing to do with their parents getting together and he's judging the child by their works and their actions. Likewise he's judging his parents by the same criteria. Respecting "the marriage [a child] came from" isn't needed to respect the work of a biracial individual.

 

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How can you co-opt your own ancestry?

You're either Afrikan or American. Can't be both. That's his point.

That's the point he's attempting to make, but that just not true in this country and acknowledges it in his own flawed logic.

You as well when referring to mixed race Americans.

Not sure why this is funny, the child had nothing to do with their parents getting together and he's judging the child by their works and their actions. Likewise he's judging his parents by the same criteria. Respecting "the marriage [a child] came from" isn't needed to respect the work of a biracial individual.

If it's about respecting your ancestry then it is the duty of the biracial child to accept all of their ancestry.

His logic is flawed.

And for a change mechanism it operates under the theory that more black people creates more freedom or less racism. Neither of those are true. Or that the reason that black people aren't happy or succeeding is because they don't love themselves because they're black. Or that only black people can love other black people.

 

[Pressure]

But all of that is unnecessary. You saw what happened when it was allowed to play out.

"I don't respect a black man, no matter what they've done for black people if they marry someone who isn't black."

"So you don't respect Federick Douglas and what he's done for black people?"

"Well of course I respect Federick Douglas."

"but he had a white wife and you just said you don't respect a black man who married a white woman."

Juelz Wake u

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• Feb 13, 2017
• juelz spin

Spin it.

"Well, he married a black woman first and had a bunch of beautiful black kids first. He did that when he was older. "

 

[Pressure]

The entire, I'm not American narrative is pointless.

Black people have been in this country from. Jump.

Helped build this country.

Fought numerous wars to maintain this country.

Live in this country.

Work in this country.


This country should be giving black people what they are owed as Americans.


If you don't feel that way you're either a.) waiting for America to crumble and that's somehow going to help you or b.) someone who should just move.

 

[JahFocus CS]

That's the point he's attempting to make, but that just not true in this country and acknowledges it in his own flawed logic.

You as well when referring to mixed race Americans.



If it's about respecting your ancestry then it is the duty of the biracial child to accept all of their ancestry.

His logic is flawed.

And for a change mechanism it operates under the theory that more black people creates more freedom or less racism. Neither of those are true. Or that the reason that black people aren't happy or succeeding is because they don't love themselves because they're black. Or that only black people can love other black people.

No, it is true, whether you accept it or not.

Be the descendant of prisoners of war captured and enslaved in a foreign land under the boot of cac oppressors, and identify with those same cac oppressors, brehs. Think you're free when the basic dynamics of that situation have never changed in 400 years brehs.

I didn't say they should respect their ancestry, I reject the idea that someone can identify as both white and Black because when you look at the development of the concept of race, the category "white" was created for the sole purposes of oppressing and dividing people. Half-cacs should reject whiteness.

Yes, there is less racial oppression in areas controlled by Africans. Where is an African KKK that lynches Africans for being African?

Why don't you enlighten us on why Afrikans aren't "happy or succeeding" then?

 

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All that being said, I don't see a problem with people identifying as Pan African or wanting others to, but the moment someone starts with the they're c00nin or they're inferior blacks because they don't is silly.

Blacks in America should be focused on helping blacks in America wherever they can and can do so well.

 

[Pressure]

No, it is true, whether you accept it or not.

Be the descendant of prisoners of war captured and enslaved in a foreign land under the boot of cac oppressors, and identify with those same cac oppressors, brehs. Think you're free when the basic dynamics of that situation have never changed in 400 years brehs.

That's quite the strawman

I don't Identify with those who oppressed me. I identify with those who look like me who were oppressed over 400 years.

I'm the proud son of a black man and woman who were actually out there on the front lines during civil rights.

Grand parents and great grand parents who did the same.

I'm from the south. And my family and others like them fought too damn hard for me to overlook that.

Sorry breh.

You can argue with me all you want about it, but I'm black and proudly back, and id be right there if the shyt hit the fan.

But I don't need to Chanel ancestors I don't know and don't have any personal or storied connections of knowledge to help motivate me to love being black and to love blackness.

 

[JahFocus CS]

But I don't need to Chanel ancestors I don't know and don't have any personal or storied connections of knowledge to help motivate me to love being black and to love blackness.

All I'll say is that I feel bad for you for disregarding your ancestors like that breh. Don't resign yourself to culturelessness and rootlessness or a watered down version of either. That's not necessary.

I guess that's the difference between us. I'm an Afrikan (I don't [willingly] use the term "black" to describe myself and only do so at all because that's the grouping society has thrown us in. As Frank Wilderson noted, our ancestors went onto slave ships as Africans and disembarked as "blacks"). I value our tribal roots that go back into time immemorial. I would never trade that for an identity forced on us that divorces us from our place of origin and cultural foundations.

This is why I would support Umar over any Black liberal taking the same stance as you.

 

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All I'll say is that I feel bad for you for disregarding your ancestors like that breh. Don't resign yourself to culturelessness and rootlessness or a watered down version of either. That's not necessary.

I guess that's the difference between us. I'm an Afrikan (I don't [willingly] use the term "black" to describe myself and only do so at all because that's the grouping society has thrown us in. As Frank Wilderson noted, our ancestors went onto slave ships as Africans and disembarked as "blacks"). I value our tribal roots that go back into time immemorial. I would never trade that for an identity forced on us that divorces us from our place of origin and cultural foundations.

This is why I would support Umar over any Black liberal taking the same stance as you.

That's your opinion, but I don't need your pity or feel rootlesness.

Like I said, my family heritage is well known back hundreds of years. Sure it's disheartening end to find it end on a plantation in SC where the records weren't kept, but that's fine.

I have a great family and we're happy. We celebrate our heritage all the way back on all sides. 4 total that are close. Still have that Bible with the family tree.

There's a ton of us. There's no feeling of regret.

Maybe you don't have that.

But trying to make a black man feel sad because they view their blackness different than you, but still black is .