ROH Final Battle '21: End of an Era (TODAY) (12-11-21)

[MenacingMonk]

Spoiler: Card

10-Man Wildcard Tag Team Match

Seeing as how this might be the last ROH show, I feel a single thread is appropriate. Won't do numbers, but maybe some cats who ditched ROH years ago, or new faces, will give the show a watch. I'm wondering if there will be any surprises. An appearance from American Dragon would be dope, but if he has a match...

ROH (and CZW) put me on to A LOT of talent back when they were on the rise. For several years I'd always order or tape trade their shows, but then I got burned out and stopped watching wrestling. Coincidentally, it was accidentally catching ROH TV back in late 2016 that got me back into Indy wrestling. Not only that, but it made me take notice of NJPW. So if this is the end, thanks for everything.

 

[JQ Legend]

They took Bandido out? Thought he was supposed to defend the world title and they put Lethal in his spot instead

 

[Superkick Party]

They took Bandido out? Thought he was supposed to defend the world title and they put Lethal in his spot instead

 

[Jello Biafra]

Looks like Tony Khan wasn't blowing smoke:


Wonder if there will be more AEW guys on the show besides just the replacement for Bandido in the main event match?

 

[Hey_zeus]

End of an era. Would be awesome if Punk/Bryan show up.

 

[Ed MOTHEREFFING G]

Looks like Tony Khan wasn't blowing smoke:


Wonder if there will be more AEW guys on the show besides just the replacement for Bandido in the main event match?

Least he could do considering he killed the company

 

[Jello Biafra]

Least he could do considering he killed the company

Sinclair being cheap a$$holes is what killed ROH.

 

[The Rainmaker]

Least he could do considering he killed the company

Yeah, I'm sure Sinclair's mismanagement, Delirious' terrible booking, Bully Ray's input, fumbling the NJPW bag, and bombing the MSG show with Taven on the main event had nothing to do with that.

 

[Ed MOTHEREFFING G]

Sinclair being cheap a$$holes is what killed ROH.

Oh so the company building its whole roster around the elite + other current AEW main eventers, and them building up All in while at ROH as a proof of concept for AEW, and them launching aew while roh was building up to its biggest show ever, at MSG, and them bailing on roh tanking the show had nothing to do with it? AEW raiding roh like WWF did AWA didnt?

 

[Ed MOTHEREFFING G]

Yeah, I'm sure Sinclair's mismanagement, Delirious' terrible booking, Bully Ray's input, fumbling the NJPW bag, and bombing the MSG show with Taven on the main event had nothing to do with that.

Oh so the company building its whole roster around the elite + other current AEW main eventers, and them building up All in while at ROH as a proof of concept for AEW, and them launching aew while roh was building up to its biggest show ever, at MSG, and them bailing on roh tanking the show had nothing to do with it? AEW raiding roh like WWF did AWA didnt?

 

[Reality Check]

Oh so the company building its whole roster around the elite + other current AEW main eventers, and them building up All in while at ROH as a proof of concept for AEW, and them launching aew while roh was building up to its biggest show ever, at MSG, and them bailing on roh tanking the show had nothing to do with it? AEW raiding roh like WWF did AWA didnt?

You can twist yourself into a Pretzel all day long to blame Tony Khan but at the end of the day, Sinclair pays their bills. They have the money and opted not to spend it on the product for years.

 

[Ed MOTHEREFFING G]

You can twist yourself into a Pretzel all day long to blame Tony Khan but at the end of the day, Sinclair pays their bills. They have the money and opted not to spend it on the product for years.

Oh okay, we hand wave away the facts i provided and spotlight a money problem which wasnt a cause for failure until 2019. Yeah ROH wasn’t as professional and needed a better tv deal but what i said was the reason for the demise. They lost their stars, pissed the bed in MSG, and lost credibility as an alternative because stars they built up went to competition made while they were on roh payroll.

 

[Jello Biafra]

Oh so the company building its whole roster around the elite + other current AEW main eventers, and them building up All in while at ROH as a proof of concept for AEW, and them launching aew while roh was building up to its biggest show ever, at MSG, and them bailing on roh tanking the show had nothing to do with it? AEW raiding roh like WWF did AWA didnt?

Sinclair could've invested in The Bucks, Cody and Omega wanted to do and become what AEW is now. Instead they made almost no attempt to keep those guys and work with them to build the company into a legit #2 option.
They could've thrown the bag at them and they would've never left ROH, AEW wouldn't exist and ROH wouldn't be having its last show tonight.

 

[Saysumthinfunnymike]

Least he could do considering he killed the company

i mean there was a lot of missteps along the way tho esp. the terrible ownership Sinclair who never put much effort in..

 

[Reality Check]

Oh okay, we hand wave away the facts i provided and spotlight a money problem which wasnt a cause for failure until 2019. Yeah ROH wasn’t as professional and needed a better tv deal but what i said was the reason for the demise. They lost their stars, pissed the bed in MSG, and lost credibility as an alternative because stars they built up went to competition made while they were on roh payroll.

Everything you listed are Sinclair/ROH problems. ROH could have done a lot more to capitalize on the popularity of BTE but Sinclair was content with ROH being a minor league product and chose not to invest more into it. I know it's fashionable to shyt on Tony Khan, but the main cause of ROH's demise was Sinclair, a billion dollar company, not realizing what they had and treating it as such. Also, who's fault is it that the Young Bucks, Cody Rhodes, Hangman Page, Kaz, Christopher Daniels, Scorpio Sky, and Best Friends all happened to have their contracts expire around the same time?