Roe and Casey to be overturned by SCOTUS; Draft opinion by Alito leaks to POLITICO

Will the draft opinion hold when pending cases are ruled?


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I find his position disgusting but aren't there a lot of Dems against abortion still?

Texas...

It's his seat so I can see why Dem leadership would back him

The voters need to vote

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the voters need to vote, but does the DNC need to influence them to vote for more pro-life politicians? i dont personally have strong emotions about this issue, but i find it weird as i see all this apocalyptic language all over social media and the news, yet we have the party leaders flying down to texas to help this guy beat a pro-choice challenger. they are actually tipping the scales for him instead of just letting voters vote. just confusing since the guy was also raided by the FBI. he's anti-woman and potentially a criminal. like, at what point do you lose support from the DNC? :lupe:
 

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Serious question playing devils advocate

If aborting a baby isn't considered murder and the baby is considered part of the body of the pregnant women and not separate .......

then how come you get charged with double manslaughter or murder if you kill a pregnant women either by accident or purpose

:patrice::patrice::patrice:
 

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Serious question playing devils advocate

If aborting a baby isn't considered murder and the baby is considered part of the body of the pregnant women and not separate .......

then how come you get charged with double manslaughter or murder if you kill a pregnant women either by accident or purpose

:patrice::patrice::patrice:
That was an attempt by Conservatives to push the recognition of life at conception by claiming two lives.

Why is killing a cop more severe punishment than any other civil servant? But a cop killing the wrong person is harder prosecute. It’s just a legal protection racket.
 

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Serious question playing devils advocate

If aborting a baby isn't considered murder and the baby is considered part of the body of the pregnant women and not separate .......

then how come you get charged with double manslaughter or murder if you kill a pregnant women either by accident or purpose

:patrice::patrice::patrice:
Depends on if you take a scientific view or spiritual view. I think a woman has to be a certain # weeks pregnant for double manslaughter. Viability (50-60% survival rate) is 24 weeks. First trimester is definitely not a full being, it’s a blueprint still sorting itself out. Babies don’t have a true heartbeat until 12-16 weeks. I think those who view it scientifically wouldn’t consider a first trimester abortion as murder.
 

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Serious question playing devils advocate

If aborting a baby isn't considered murder and the baby is considered part of the body of the pregnant women and not separate .......

then how come you get charged with double manslaughter or murder if you kill a pregnant women either by accident or purpose

:patrice::patrice::patrice:

I think the easy and simple answer is america like sending people to jail/prison. A man in alabama was given a death sentence and executed and everyone involved knew he didnt kill anybody.
 

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Here we go.. :francis:


Republican Party gone really fukk around and set themselves up for a failure of epic portions if not in November definitely in 2024. These kats really giving Dems a lot of material and talking points to run on if that tweet is the next step.
 

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Nancy Pelosi Is Trying to Save an Anti-Choice Democrat as Roe v. Wade Falls
"But even with the FBI raid and his almost total opposition to abortion rights, Cuellar is continuing to receive enthusiastic support from the House Democratic leadership. Clyburn, the third-ranking House Democrat, who wields major influence in national Democratic politics, is set to campaign for Cuellar in a get-out-the-vote event on Wednesday in San Antonio."

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Yeah terrible optics.. but he is in at 70%+ latin district
 

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I can't insert the quote, but you didn't believe they would overturn Roe back in 2016. Don't put anything past these people. Alito has essentially declared that he wants to get rid of Obergfell. I doubt he'd get much resistance from the rest of the right wing justices. After that it's contraception, then Lawrence, then Loving.

As you have said here, overturning Loving would likely have little impact, because virtually no lawmakers would make IR marriage illegal, and I doubt LEOs would enforce it. There are likely old laws on the books in the south, though.
How about, allowing clerks the right to choose.:mjpls:
 

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Next up is Contraception and Interracial Marriage. I feel like we're in the prelude to the Handmaids Tale.

something something about bothsides though

TLR and PAWG loving ain't ever gonna be the same. Imagine 2 people from 2 different races now not classified as a legally married couple? The confusion would break the institution of marriage in America apart.
 
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