Robert Garcia says "Floyd is the greatest fighter of all time"

[Black_Jesus]

So if he beats say a combination of
Pac
COTTO (FOR THE MW STRAP)
PORTER/Thurman
Khan

He won't be in the Discussion?
Like you said ppl put a lot of emphasis on that 0

Whether you agree is a another debate, but ppl will
Definitely mention his name in the GOAT discussion 25 yrs from now if he goes out undefeated with those wins under his belt

I believe Floyd needed one fight that would've cemented himself as top 5 GOAT 25 years from now, and that was against Pacquiao (and vice versa). Without going onto the reasons why..the fight didn't happen PERIOD...

Floyd's at a point right now where he can only go down from here... besides Pac, none of those other guys would be career defining fights.

I believe he loses to Khan and Floyd knows theres a big chance of that happening, which is why he keeps coming up with more and more excuses over the years of why khan somehow doesn't deserve to be in the ring with him. It also would be a horrible stain on his career which is another reason the fightt wont happen. Floyd is not gonna risk taking an L from Khan...

I believe he loses to Porter as well, and Floyd definately doesn't want any problems from that boy. The facy that they are barely trying to hype him up confirms this for me...

Thurman would lose to Floyd imo, but again it wouldn't even matter, resume wise, because Thurman is still unproven..

Beating Cotto at 160 would be tremendous but the fact that Floyd has already beaten him, and he was overthehill Marg and Pac leftovers when he beat him, wont stand out any more than it did when he won at 154; however, I do believe this is the route he goes if he gets passed Maidana bum ass..

But dont get it twisted.. Floyd will most definitely be mentioned 25 years from now, but not at top 5 GOAT level like few silly ass nikkas on thecoli believe.. thats reserved for trill nikkas unlike Floyd who has the heart of a kitty cat and is only concerned for his health

 

[Black_Jesus]

SRR is trash

19 losses

retiring on his stool to bob backlund

So disrespectful..I expect more from you breh...

 

[JerseyFinest!]

I believe Floyd needed one fight that would've cemented himself as top 5 GOAT 25 years from now, and that was against Pacquiao (and vice versa). Without going onto the reasons why..the fight didn't happen PERIOD...

Floyd's at a point right now where he can only go down from here... besides Pac, none of those other guys would be career defining fights.

I believe he loses to Khan and Floyd knows theres a big chance of that happening, which is why he keeps coming up with more and more excuses over the years of why khan somehow doesn't deserve to be in the ring with him. It also would be a horrible stain on his career which is another reason the fightt wont happen. Floyd is not gonna risk taking an L from Khan...

I believe he loses to Porter as well, and Floyd definately doesn't want any problems from that boy. The facy that they are barely trying to hype him up confirms this for me...

Thurman would lose to Floyd imo, but again it wouldn't even matter, resume wise, because Thurman is still unproven..

Beating Cotto at 160 would be tremendous but the fact that Floyd has already beaten him, and he was overthehill Marg and Pac leftovers when he beat him, wont stand out any more than it did when he won at 154; however, I do believe this is the route he goes if he gets passed Maidana bum ass..

But dont get it twisted.. Floyd will most definitely be mentioned 25 years from now, but not at top 5 GOAT level like few silly ass nikkas on thecoli believe.. thats reserved for trill nikkas who dont have the heart of a kitty cat

I don't agree or disagree with your post.
But you feel he loses to Khan/Porter so if he fights
And beat those Guys that elevates his status even more

Like I stated before it all depends on who he fights and the manner he wins.

We all agree the Pac fight should have been took place but if the fight was to take place and Floyd was to win in impressive fashion the GOAT label will be thrown around

Whether you think it's blasphemous to call him top 5 now or not its ppl already putting him up there, so can you imagine if he was to add those wins to his resume and add the fact over time ppl like to hype things up from the past

Trust it will be ppl calling him the GOAT

 

[Black_Jesus]

I don't agree or disagree with your post.
But you feel he loses to Khan/Porter so if he fights
And beat those Guys that elevates his status even more

Like I stated before it all depends on who he fights and the manner he wins.

We all agree the Pac fight should have been took place but if the fight was to take place and Floyd was to win in impressive fashion the GOAT label will be thrown around

Whether you think it's blasphemous to call him top 5 now or not its ppl already putting him up there, so can you imagine if he was to add those wins to his resume and add the fact over time ppl like to hype things up from the past

Trust it will be ppl calling him the GOAT

I believe a win against Pac, Khan and Porter(depending how well Porter does in the future) would elevate his status looking back 25 years from now.. but neither of those fights will ever happen because #1 Floyd seems to be only willing to fight spanish fighters and #2 At this point in his career he's only willing to fight people he knows for a fact he can beat.. those 2 dont fall in either category... but out of the guys you named, beating Pac would be Floyds only career defining win out of those names at this point

 

[Newzz]

I don't agree or disagree with your post.
But you feel he loses to Khan/Porter so if he fights
And beat those Guys that elevates his status even more

Like I stated before it all depends on who he fights and the manner he wins.

We all agree the Pac fight should have been took place but if the fight was to take place and Floyd was to win in impressive fashion the GOAT label will be thrown around

Whether you think it's blasphemous to call him top 5 now or not its ppl already putting him up there, so can you imagine if he was to add those wins to his resume and add the fact over time ppl like to hype things up from the past

Trust it will be ppl calling him the GOAT

No they wont.


Boxing is probably the only sport that STILL preserves the history behind the sweet science, and dont fall victim of "who's hot now" like the NBA/NFL/MLB etc. There arent any marketing campaigns that will work in the sport of Boxing that will elevate Floyd Mayweather into the atmosphere of those highly regarded and revered by those "in the know".


That's exactly why Boxing is broken up into 2 sectors, the hardcore boxing fan who follows the sport religiously....almost cult like. And then there is the Casual fan.


The Casual fan tries to propel Floyd up into that "GOAT" conversation, but he doesnt have enough on it to warrant that talk. He hasnt beat many HOF fighters at their peak to back up the claims to being T.B.E. The Hardcore Boxing fan basicaly tells the Casual fan that they are living fantasies and we reject their deposit.


Fighting and beating Manny Pacquaio, while Manny Pacquiao was at his PEAK would've done much better for his resume (right now I have Floyd around the 15-20 range along with Manny Pacquiao and B-Hop closing in standing around the 20-25 range), but he still would've been peeking in the door of the Top 10 if not standing close to the exit at #8 or #9 with a victory over Peak Pacquiao.


Muhammad Ali, Sugar Ray Robinson, Willie Pep, Henry Armstrong, Jack Johnson, Jack Dempsey, Harry Greb, Benny Leonard (Not Sugar Ray Leonard....Benny Leonard), Roberto Duran, Joe Louis, etc....that's 1 hell of a task to try and pass them at THIS point of Floyd's career because he missed all the greatest of his era at their highest points. That matters a LOT in discussing rankings of ATGs.


Somebody comes to me and tells me "Floyd Mayweather Jr is the GOAT", Im gonna immediately throw your boxing knowledge in the bushes and know NOT to engage any further with anything other than trolling.....and so would anyone else that follows the Sweet Science.

 

[blackzeus]

No they wont.


Boxing is probably the only sport that STILL preserves the history behind the sweet science, and dont fall victim of "who's hot now" like the NBA/NFL/MLB etc. There arent any marketing campaigns that will work in the sport of Boxing that will elevate Floyd Mayweather into the atmosphere of those highly regarded and revered by those "in the know".


That's exactly why Boxing is broken up into 2 sectors, the hardcore boxing fan who follows the sport religiously....almost cult like. And then there is the Casual fan.


The Casual fan tries to propel Floyd up into that "GOAT" conversation, but he doesnt have enough on it to warrant that talk. He hasnt beat many HOF fighters at their peak to back up the claims to being T.B.E. The Hardcore Boxing fan basicaly tells the Casual fan that they are living fantasies and we reject their deposit.


Fighting and beating Manny Pacquaio, while Manny Pacquiao was at his PEAK would've done much better for his resume (right now I have Floyd around the 15-20 range along with Manny Pacquiao and B-Hop closing in standing around the 20-25 range), but he still would've been peeking in the door of the Top 10 if not standing close to the exit at #8 or #9 with a victory over Peak Pacquiao.


Muhammad Ali, Sugar Ray Robinson, Willie Pep, Henry Armstrong, Jack Johnson, Jack Dempsey, Harry Greb, Benny Leonard (Not Sugar Ray Leonard....Benny Leonard), Roberto Duran, Joe Louis, etc....that's 1 hell of a task to try and pass them at THIS point of Floyd's career because he missed all the greatest of his era at their highest points.


Somebody comes to me and tells me "Floyd Mayweather Jr is the GOAT", Im gonna immediately throw your boxing knowledge in the bushes and know NOT to engage any further with anything other than trolling.....and so would anyone else that follows the Sweet Science.

I would have more respect for somebody saying Tyson the GOAT as opposed to Floyd, other than De La Hoya, how many HOF fighters in their PRIME has he beaten? Please don't say Zab Judah Floyd is definitely GOAT boxing businessman, that much is for sure.

 

[Jello Biafra]

No shyt he was hyping the fight that's why it's funny, get off my dikk, you weren't talking slick in that thread about Robert Garcia about he would get KO'd
you're a sad and individual, how did I get in my feelings posting a video when you're in here drawing conclusions in your delusional mind about nothing that was even said in the video

you follow my post that Muslims follow the Koran,

This is how I envision you angrily typing that barely comprehensible reply:

 

[Master Teacher]

This is how I envision you angrily typing that barely comprehensible reply:

you have an incredible imagination, there's not a hint of anger in that post just because I'm pointing out the fact I only see you're name when you're relying to me with some dumb ass comment

do have any thoughts of your own besides "youre mad"

 

[Black_Jesus]

I would have more respect for somebody saying Tyson the GOAT as opposed to Floyd, other than De La Hoya, how many HOF fighters in their PRIME has he beaten? Please don't say Zab Judah Floyd is definitely GOAT boxing businessman, that much is for sure.

And then you look at all the future HOF fighters he had the opportunity to figh in their primes, but didn't, then it just becomes laughable

 

[JerseyFinest!]

No they wont.


Boxing is probably the only sport that STILL preserves the history behind the sweet science, and dont fall victim of "who's hot now" like the NBA/NFL/MLB etc. There arent any marketing campaigns that will work in the sport of Boxing that will elevate Floyd Mayweather into the atmosphere of those highly regarded and revered by those "in the know".


That's exactly why Boxing is broken up into 2 sectors, the hardcore boxing fan who follows the sport religiously....almost cult like. And then there is the Casual fan.


The Casual fan tries to propel Floyd up into that "GOAT" conversation, but he doesnt have enough on it to warrant that talk. He hasnt beat many HOF fighters at their peak to back up the claims to being T.B.E. The Hardcore Boxing fan basicaly tells the Casual fan that they are living fantasies and we reject their deposit.


Fighting and beating Manny Pacquaio, while Manny Pacquiao was at his PEAK would've done much better for his resume (right now I have Floyd around the 15-20 range along with Manny Pacquiao and B-Hop closing in standing around the 20-25 range), but he still would've been peeking in the door of the Top 10 if not standing close to the exit at #8 or #9 with a victory over Peak Pacquiao.


Muhammad Ali, Sugar Ray Robinson, Willie Pep, Henry Armstrong, Jack Johnson, Jack Dempsey, Harry Greb, Benny Leonard (Not Sugar Ray Leonard....Benny Leonard), Roberto Duran, Joe Louis, etc....that's 1 hell of a task to try and pass them at THIS point of Floyd's career because he missed all the greatest of his era at their highest points. That matters a LOT in discussing rankings of ATGs.


Somebody comes to me and tells me "Floyd Mayweather Jr is the GOAT", Im gonna immediately throw your boxing knowledge in the bushes and know NOT to engage any further with anything other than trolling.....and so would anyone else that follows the Sweet Science.

I don't disagree with nothing in your post.

But your underestimating what time does for people legacy

Floyd story is still being written so we don't know what his final resume is going to look like so its really not even a subject that can be debated at the moment.

Im 31 I've been hook on boxing since I was like 7 and Floyd is the best I've seen, Yeah you have youtube and can go back and watch a old Joe Louis fight but it's not quite the same as watching a fighter from the ground up develop like
We did with Floyd. We've seen 3 different versions of him

25yrs from now our generation is going to be the historians passing the stories of the great fighters we watched coming up and Floyd is going to be the leader of the pack

We not talking present moment we talking 25yrs from now and if he closes out fighting certain fights and remains undefeated...ppl will be calling him the GOAT. Whether you agree is a whole another debate but he will be mentioned

 

[Newzz]

I would have more respect for somebody saying Tyson the GOAT as opposed to Floyd, other than De La Hoya, how many HOF fighters in their PRIME has he beaten? Please don't say Zab Judah Floyd is definitely GOAT boxing businessman, that much is for sure.

He didnt even beat ODLH in his prime, nor Mosley, nor Cotto....but none of them were totally washed up. They were all on the downside of their career.

The closest would be Hatton however, if Hatton makes the HOF. If Canelo continues on, the better and better Floyd will look due to beating him.

Problem is, the top 10 all-time is FILLED with boxers who defeated their HOF counterparts when they were at their best, which is why I said beating Pacquaio NOW will not have the same effect as beating Pacquiao back in 2009.

Since then, we've seen Pacquiao take 2 L's including a KO loss. Floyd fukked that up by not fighting Pacquaio at his very best

 

[JerseyFinest!]

I believe a win against Pac, Khan and Porter(depending how well Porter does in the future) would elevate his status looking back 25 years from now.. but neither of those fights will ever happen because #1 Floyd seems to be only willing to fight spanish fighters and #2 At this point in his career he's only willing to fight people he knows for a fact he can beat.. those 2 dont fall in either category... but out of the guys you named, beating Pac would be Floyds only career defining win out of those names at this point

Most of what you're saying is personal opinion...Time will tell if he actually fights Porter/Khan/Pac

But I do agree unless he fights those dudes its no way you can mention him as Top 5 all time

 

[blackzeus]

He didnt even beat ODLH in his prime, nor Mosley, nor Cotto....but none of them were totally washed up. They were all on the downside of their career.

The closest would be Hatton however, if Hatton makes the HOF. If Canelo continues on, the better and better Floyd will look due to beating him.

Problem is, the top 10 all-time is FILLED with boxers who defeated their HOF counterparts when they were at their best, which is why I said beating Pacquaio NOW will not have the same effect as beating Pacquiao back in 2009.

Since then, we've seen Pacquiao take 2 L's including a KO loss. Floyd fukked that up by not fighting Pacquaio at his very best

Canelo will not be a HOF boxer. Even if he had beaten Pacquiao in his prime, he would still not GOAT, perhaps top 10. Floyd's division is nothing compared to how it was in the 70s and 80s. I can't call anybody from this era the GOAT because the level of competition just isn't that high. All the top athletes play team sports these days, as opposed to back in the day when a lot of them went into boxing.

 

[Newzz]

I don't disagree with nothing in your post.

But your underestimating what time does for people legacy

Floyd story is still being written so we don't know what his final resume is going to look like so its really not even a subject that can be debated at the moment.

Im 31 I've been hook on boxing since I was like 7 and Floyd is the best I've seen, Yeah you have youtube and can go back and watch a old Joe Louis fight but it's not quite the same as watching a fighter from the ground up develop like
We did with Floyd. We've seen 3 different versions of him

Floyd is currently the best of OUR generation....not overall. And yes, like @krackdagawd said, B-Hop can definitely surpass him and Pacquiao by beating Adonis Stevenson and Sergey Kovalev. Hell, Floyd can STILL be passed by Manny Pacquiao depending on who Pacquiao fights once the Cold War ends.
Manny already has the best resume of this era.

25yrs from now our generation is going to be the historians passing the stories of the great fighters we watched coming up and Floyd is going to be the leader of the pack

We not talking present moment we talking 25yrs from now and if he closes out fighting certain fights and remains undefeated...ppl will be calling him the GOAT. Whether you agree is a whole another debate but he will be mentioned

This is not true.

Yes, we will discuss the fighters that WE'VE seen, however, a true boxing fan will never waver on a Muhammad Ali, Sugar Ray Robinson, Willie Pep, or Henry Armstrong as FIXTURES in the top 5.

There is absolutely nothing Floyd Mayweather Jr can do to enter into the discussion of the GOAT when those 4 are there. It's too late.

Best he can do is to hope to continue winning, beating elite fighters, and hope Manny and B-Hop loses some more. Because both Floyd and Manny are in the top 15-20 range while B-Hop is around 20-25 and creeping

 

[Newzz]

Canelo will not be a HOF boxer. Even if he had beaten Pacquiao in his prime, he would still not GOAT, perhaps top 10. Floyd's division is nothing compared to how it was in the 70s and 80s. I can't call anybody from this era the GOAT because the level of competition just isn't that high. All the top athletes play team sports these days, as opposed to back in the day when a lot of them went into boxing.

I agree breh...Im trying to give leeway


That "Floyd Mayweather Jr is the GOAT" ship sailed along time ago. Now, it's about how far he can shift himself through the 10-20 range.