RIP Kyren Lacy

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Facts. No psychiatrist, psychologist, neuropsychologist, neurologist or pathologist could rule out CTE. As well, it's not as if Lacy is someone with a low pretest probability of CTE. He's played high level football for years. It's not like he's an 8 year old bookworm. CTE has to be on the differential diagnosis.
We should keep that in mind. Any time anybody that has ever played football and does some wrong or dies, CTE HAS to be on the differential. Great thinking. Never mind that without data backing it up as a likely diagnosis to place on your differential in the first place it would be just as relevant as me placing the last meal he had causing him food poisoning while driving being on the differential too.
 
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We should keep that in mind. Any time anybody that has ever played football and does some wrong or dies, CTE HAS to be on the differential. Great thinking. Never mind that without data backing it up as a likely diagnosis to place on your differential in the first place it would be just as relevant as me placing the last meal he had causing him food poisoning while driving being on the differential too.
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I didn't say anyone. I said Lacy, considering he had some erratic behaviour. Poor doctors keep their differentials short. Keeping it long is important. But I'll let you cook.
 

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I didn't say anyone. I said Lacy, considering he had some erratic behaviour. Poor doctors keep their differentials short. Keeping it long is important. But I'll let you cook.
Actually keeping it long is stupid because then you’re going to do a million dollar work up chasing things unnecessarily. The point of a differential is having a succinct, plausible list of items based on the data you have acquired. Unless you have some evidence to say he has CTE besides him playing football (correlation doesn’t equal causation, ie just because you smoked for 50 years doesn’t mean you died of lung cancer) then don’t play games on this end of the pool.
 

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This IDIOT shot a gun into the ground to intimidate a family member, got in his car and led police on a high speed chase before crashing into a building and blowing his brains out.

Imagine your kid riding their bike on a Saturday morning or your grandmother doing yard work in front of her house and this maniac crashes into them while running from the police!

Good riddance.
 

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Actually keeping it long is stupid because then you’re going to do a million dollar work up chasing things unnecessarily. The point of a differential is having a succinct, plausible list of items based on the data you have acquired. Unless you have some evidence to say he has CTE besides him playing football (correlation doesn’t equal causation, ie just because you smoked for 50 years doesn’t mean you died of lung cancer) then don’t play games on this end of the pool.

What workup are you gonna do for CTE when someone is alive?

Again, look at his behaviour. Have you read the thread/the story? You're acting like he just died suddenly in his home with a known history of Brugada syndrome.
 

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What workup are you gonna do for CTE when someone is alive?

Again, look at his behaviour. Have you read the thread/the story? You're acting like he just died suddenly in his home with a known history of Brugada syndrome.
Probably something that doesn’t include ignoring the multiple socioeconomic factors and the laundry list of possible psych ICD codes to choose from that could explain his behavior and what led to his death rather than saying “football…CTE”.

Also you just answered your own question of why it shouldn’t be on the differential in the first place with your first question. How did you come to the conclusion it should be on the DDx other than he played football?

Respectfully, give the man a chance to be buried before writing him off as another CTE case.

@NYC Rebel :wow: bless you
 
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How is this terrible? The way you nikkas cape for scumbags :mjlol:

People get too emotional and wants to call anything terrible and "nasty nowadays". It was a recent even, that may very likely have played a roll in what happened to him. Something that would be "nasty work" is when Joe Mazzulla got the job and ESPN and Malika Andrews brought up allegations from more than a decade ago.
 

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We should keep that in mind. Any time anybody that has ever played football and does some wrong or dies, CTE HAS to be on the differential. Great thinking. Never mind that without data backing it up as a likely diagnosis to place on your differential in the first place it would be just as relevant as me placing the last meal he had causing him food poisoning while driving being on the differential too.

CTE was found in 92% of former players tested


Yall are leading with emotion grow up man

1- The elephant in the room is if you’re playing college football and up, you more than likely would develop CTE. Full stop. That’s the dirty nasty secret no one —-including fans —-want to talk abou

1b- Thankfully, not everyone is going to show signs or have it impair them. However….

2- And I said this on page TWO. CTE can be an aggravating factor. Do you mfers know what even means?!?!

It means if you have pre-existing mental or cognitive issues, CTE can make it worse. Since the start of this thread, we’ve been made aware that as early as his college signing day—-so age 18/19—-they said ‘he’s I overcome grades and a lot of other issues’. Last year Brian Kelly said ‘he’s a high strung young man with discipline and emotional control issues he’s working on’. Clearly, there was something going on with him from a mental standpoint that would make him more likely to be affected by the threat of CTE. Then you add the accident

He could have been depressed, he could have been bipolar, he could have been flat out crazy. AND have CTE. It is not an ‘or’

Read. Read. Read. You mfers do not read you throw out your opinions then stand on it no matter what bc you don’t want to be wrong it’s childish as fukk
 
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CTE was found in 92% of former players tested


Yall are leading with emotion grow up man

1- The elephant in the room is if you’re playing college football and up, you more than likely would develop CTE. Full stop. That’s the dirty nasty secret no one —-including fans —-want to talk abou

1b- Thankfully, not everyone is going to show signs or have it impair them. However….

2- And I said this on page TWO. CTE can be an aggravating factor. Do you mfers know what even means?!?!

It means if you have pre-existing mental or cognitive issues, CTE can make it worse. Since the start of this thread, we’ve been made aware that as early as his college signing day—-so age 18/19—-they said ‘he’s I overcome grades and a lot of other issues’. Last year Brian Kelly said ‘he’s a high strung young man with discipline and emotional control issues he’s working on’. Clearly, there was something going on with him from a mental standpoint that would make him more likely to be affected by the threat of CTE

He could have been depressed, he could have been bipolar, he could have been flat out crazy. AND have CTE. It is not an ‘or’

Read. Read. Read. You mfers do not read you throw out your opinions then stand on it no matter what bc you don’t want to be wrong it’s childish as fukk
And what I asked what, besides him playing football, would give you cause to say CTE was involved in his case.

You said a lot to say “no sir, I don’t have any evidence to corroborate my claim other than he played football”
 

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Probably something that doesn’t include ignoring the multiple socioeconomic factors and the laundry list of possible psych ICD codes to choose from that could explain his behavior and what led to his death rather than saying “football…CTE”.

Also you just answered your own question of why it shouldn’t be on the differential in the first place with your first question. How did you come to the conclusion it should be on the DDx other than he played football?

Respectfully, give the man a chance to be buried before writing him off as another CTE case.

@NYC Rebel :wow: bless you

Again, his erratic behaviour remotely and in the last 4 months.

Also, where did I say "football...CTE"? without considering other psych diagnoses?

But CTE can lead to him driving recklessly. I'm not saying that's what happened in this case but you cannot rule it out. A medical professional would not say CTE was ruled out in his case.

I get it though. CTE shouldn't be used as an explanation for everything, as people do this stuff without ever suffering chronic head trauma. But one cannot say definitively that it wasn't a factor in Lacy.


I'm not saying he had CTE, and CTE isn't the only thing that cause someone to struggle with emotional control and discipline, but the bolded doesn't necessarily argue against CTE.

Also, you don't have to be in the NFL to have CTE



In July 2019, just months after graduating from high school, 18-year-old Wyatt Bramwell took his own life. About a year later, researchers at Boston University diagnosed him with stage 2 chronic traumatic encephalopathy, known as CTE, caused by playing tackle football for several years.


Again, I'm not saying Lacy committed suicide or drove recklessly because of CTE. I'm saying we can't say it's impossible for him to have had CTE.

Did you miss those parts before you decided to pop off?
 

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And what I asked what, besides him playing football, would give you cause to say CTE was involved in his case.

You said a lot to say “no sir, I don’t have any evidence to corroborate my claim other than he played football”

Another fukking idiot :snoop:

He played high level football. The end. Yes, that is EXACTLY why CTE is possible. Literally only bc he played football. Like is this a joke

And wym ‘evidence to corroborate my claim’. What’s my claim? Your poor reading comprehension—-or determination to be contrarian——wants to believe my claim is “He did this bc of CTE or he had CTE’. That is false. My and others’ claim is simple: CTE cannot be ruled out. The evidence to corroborate THAT claim is listed above. CTE was found in 92% of former players, as well as his abnormal behavior.

This is an extremely easy conversation to have if you
have a modicum of reading comprehension and stop trying to stay on code. Again, grow up
 

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Again, his erratic behaviour remotely and in the last 4 months.

Also, where did I say "football...CTE"? without considering other psych diagnoses?






Did you miss those parts before you decided to pop off?
“But one cannot say definitively that it wasn't a factor in Lacy.”

No one can say anything because we have no data. We have no autopsy. We have nothing but click bait headlines and a dead man. So we can’t definitely say anything. Therefore we probably shouldn’t even mention CTE since we have no evidence to corroborate mentioning it other than he played the sport of football. There was a time when people based inferences off data and evidence but that time has long passed us apparently.
 
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