RIP California

[Adeptus Astartes]

Saying "there is no victim" is obviously false. most of the deadliest mass shootings in recent history have been committed with semi-automatic rifles and a large number (Vegas, Sandy Hook, Parkland, Sutherland Springs, San Bernardino, Aurora, Pittsburgh synagogue, Geneva County) were AR-15s or derivatives thereof. The fact that mass shootings have been committed with these weapons, and that they are obviously more easily effective for mass killing than most other weapons, is already sufficient criteria. Past that it's just a question of degree and where you draw the line, and it's the public/lawmakers who have the right to decide that, not judges.

Rifles of any type were responsible for less than 400 murders in 2019. Handguns were nearly 7000. Outliers shouldn't make law. That's making law by emotion, not facts. Semiauto rifles get used in some crimes, absolutely. They are cheap and ridiculously common. A SCAR17-H is significantly more powerful, but costs $3k. Why not ban semiauto weapons outright? Because that would be unconstitutional, so you go for these backdoor feel good laws that do nothing to stop crime.

By your logic, that judge should also invalidate the restrictions on damn near every other type of weapon, from chemical agents to ballistic knives, from fully automatic firearms to brass knuckles, from surface-to-air missiles to sawed-off shotguns. We already have restrictions on hundreds of weapons across America. AF-15's aren't any different because they have some special constitutional protection, they're only different because they have a specific gun culture and political lobby supporting them.

Way to jump out the window...SAMs? Absurd. Benitez himself said that the state can regulate uncommon weapons and particularly destructive weapons in the ruling. ARs are protected because they are ubiquitous, amd banning them places undue burden on law abiding citizens, violating their 2nd amendment rights. That's why Heller happened.

Ar-15 variants are not special. They are semiautomatic rifles that use an intermediate cartridge, so why do they deserve additional restrictions, especially those that don't address crime?

I know we fundamentally disagree on this topic, so I'm gonna leave it here.

 

[88m3]

state seemed to be doing fine without them

 

[Insensitive]

January 6th proved that these gun nuts are not merely interested in "home defense." They are preparing a fascist takeover. They will be allowed to have these weapons. You will not.

Even then that "Home defense" bullshyt is rooted in a type of racism and classism.
I can't begin to count how many times my coworkers have fantasized about using their personal arsenal on a "Home invader".

 

[Professor Emeritus]

Rifles of any type were responsible for less than 400 murders in 2019. Handguns were nearly 7000. Outliers shouldn't make law. That's making law by emotion, not facts. Semiauto rifles get used in some crimes, absolutely. They are cheap and ridiculously common. A SCAR17-H is significantly more powerful, but costs $3k. Why not ban semiauto weapons outright? Because that would be unconstitutional, so you go for these backdoor feel good laws that do nothing to stop crime.

Again, numerous banned weapons are responsible for far fewer than 400 murders/year. How many murders/year come from fully automatic weapons? How may weapons a year are committed with brass knuckles?

And there would be nothing unconstitutional about banning semi-auto weapons outright (or limiting magazines), just like there's nothing unconstitutional about banning fully-automatic weapons. It's just that the gun lobby has acted with a power due to their alliance with controlling White interests which has nothing to do with legal reality.

Way to jump out the window...SAMs? Absurd. Benitez himself said that the state can regulate uncommon weapons and particularly destructive weapons in the ruling. ARs are protected because they are ubiquitous, amd banning them places undue burden on law abiding citizens, violating their 2nd amendment rights.

I gave you 6 examples across the full spectrum and you cherry-pick SAMs? As I pointed out, a wide range of weapons have been banned across the entire range of lethality.

And AR-15s weren't nearly as popular 32 years ago when the ban was enacted, so the fact that they've become more popular in the meantime is a reason the ban is no longer constitutional? Ridiculous. The ban survived 32 years just fine in California not to mention that several AR-15 types were banned nationwide in 1994 without the courts stopping it. He's clearly an activist judge and his argument was crap.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

Once again, I'm not arguing that an AR-15 ban stops crime. I'm arguing that it's constitutional regardless of whether it's effective and judges pulling this shyt starts a precedent of conservative judicial activism that we've been seeing for 10 years now and will see even more in the coming decades. As the country changes in demographics and younger non-white people start replacing older white people, more progressive legislation is going to get passed, but the dominance of the courts by old white conservatives like this guy is going to do everything to maintain the status quo in power. We've already seen it with the courts overthrowing campaign finance law and the voting rights act, and its only going to snowball.

Even then that "Home defense" bullshyt is rooted in a type of racism and classism.
I can't begin to count how many times my coworkers have fantasized about using their personal arsenal on a "Home invader".

A gun nut I used to know posted this video on Facebook a few years ago. He was laughing at it on some "funny cause it's true!" shyt. This is a guy who owns 50+ guns even though he doesn't hunt and who opens the door while holding his AR if someone knocks his door at night (in at least one case it was the cops). He just joined the military a couple years ago even though he's 30+, which kinda pisses me off cause he's a fukking hothead who shouldn't have that level of responsibility.

 

[Ol’Otis]

ima buy one

 

[GunRanger]

A handgun ban was ruled unconstitutional. Rifles are even more necessary in war si it makes sense. This doesnt have anything to do with automatic fire weapons

 

[getmoney310cpt]

Plenty of ARs/automatics in the streets of Compton, south central, watts, Inglewood and Long Beach trust me lol

This only moving a needle for law abiders

 

[Wild self]

This ban was on cosmetic features. It did nothing to stop crime. People out here seriously acting like being able to hold a firearm correctly, having a forward grip, a flash hider, a sliding stock, or being able to reload a second faster is going to turn people into mass murderers.

Tell me these gun owners plan to get an AR-15 and shoot up their employers that under pay them, the bankers that rip them off, and agagainst racist police officers...

Nope, they plan to use weapons on "invaders" aka black people and commit genocide.