I mean when we're discussing pop stars, it's not really about talent. Sometimes you get the whole package - gaga (writes, composes, can sing, and is an entertainer) - the semi whole package - beyonce - just the singer - Mariah and Whitney - or just the star - rihanna. All these women, along with folks like Janet and Madonna, are GOATs. that's why I evaluate people like them on more than just singing, dancing, writing because it takes more than just talent to be that big. If this thread was about jazmin Sullivan, I'd be thinking about GOAT singers, but because it's about rih, I'm thinking about GOAT pop stars which encompasses the talented to the "non-talented".