RETRO ALBUM: Silk - Lose Control

[MrHipHop]

Classic!

 

[Kliq_Souf]

My parents had this jawn on cassette...
I remember being 3-4 years old singing "Let me lick you up and down"

 

[JustCKing]

I'm not misquoting anything. youre repeating the same chit.

like I said, Atlanta was the place to be since the early '90s. long before the f*ckin Olympics and the world series. LOL. you still don't get it. I'm talking about the black music scene. yes it continued to grow since then of course, but it was already POPPIN. youre just taking note of the early '00s(really mid-00s youre referring to) because that's when they started shoving it down the general public's throats but it was nothing new.

youre mentioning local Georgia acts but that's really not even the half. that's not the gist of it at all. whats funny is that you mention TLC. do you realize they were put together? left eye isn't from down there. shes from philly. she went to ATL to get a deal, along with a bunch of other people that aren't from anywhere near there. why would she randomly go to Atlanta to get a deal? hell, new York is closer.

and how about mc hammer reppin Atlanta like a 2nd home back when he was the biggest thing in music. where you think bobby n whitney were residing? theyre not from down there. lol. I could go on for days.

I would give you credit for responding but I basically had to bully you for weeks to stop duckin. now you still have a couple other threads to show face in. IT AINT OVER.

It is a misquote. Spawning a music scene =/= a city becoming an entertainment mecca. My argument was that the '96 Olympics was the catalyst for Atlanta becoming an entertainment mecca. Poppin' =/= a mecca. An influx of people started to migrate to Atlanta from all over the world starting careers in all facets of entertainment. The '96 Olympics was the beginning of Atlanta becoming a host city of all kinds of events, specifically entertainment. Entertainment is more than just music.

I know TLC was a group that was put together. That's pretty much irrelevant. You're naming a few artists who moved to Atlanta, which is rather small when you're arguing Atlanta as an entertainment mecca.

Of course people were moving to Atlanta and to many, it was the place to be, but it was still a city that was slept on in comparison to L.A. and New York.

This is not me taking note of anything. This is a city that I don't live too far from. I have relatives that saw Atlanta grow from the '70's to what it is now. I have relatives who came to Atlanta because of Centennial Olympic Park after the Olympics with interests of starting a business in Atlanta.

 

[Homeboy Runny-Ray]

It is a misquote. Spawning a music scene =/= a city becoming an entertainment mecca. My argument was that the '96 Olympics was the catalyst for Atlanta becoming an entertainment mecca. Poppin' =/= a mecca. An influx of people started to migrate to Atlanta from all over the world starting careers in all facets of entertainment. The '96 Olympics was the beginning of Atlanta becoming a host city of all kinds of events, specifically entertainment. Entertainment is more than just music.

I know TLC was a group that was put together. That's pretty much irrelevant. You're naming a few artists who moved to Atlanta, which is rather small when you're arguing Atlanta as an entertainment mecca.

Of course people were moving to Atlanta and to many, it was the place to be, but it was still a city that was slept on in comparison to L.A. and New York.

This is not me taking note of anything. This is a city that I don't live too far from. I have relatives that saw Atlanta grow from the '70's to what it is now. I have relatives who came to Atlanta because of Centennial Olympic Park after the Olympics with interests of starting a business in Atlanta.

no its not a misquote. and could you please stop talking about the Olympics? sure it helped the economy down there. its supposed to be a booster, but if the economy wasn't already flourishing down there, you think the Olympic would've been held there? do you really think that? theres a reason why they held it in Atlanta and not Alabama or Mississippi. BE SMART SON. alot of people were already moving to the A. hell my mom was even talking about going down there. and charlotte as well, because charlotte was already trying to be a knock-off Atlanta long before the Olympics came thru.

and more specifically, we're talking music. thats where the labels were at, along with new York. it was already a music mecca, which is what our argument was about.

Atlanta was only slept-on compared to LA & NY in terms of hip-hop. they were #1 in terms of success in commercial black music overall, with most of the people being stationed there, not being natives of the city/state.

and the clique that you tried to claim as the crew responsible for the south's current rap success, they were a product of the main r&b machine down there, and that's where most of their success came from, moreso than the block.

so again, its not a misquote. I tagged you so that now you can see my point illustrated better. and obviously you do, even tho you'll never admit it.

 

[Homeboy Runny-Ray]

 

[Craig Mack]

Their best album imo. they should've stayed w sweat.

 

[Homeboy Runny-Ray]

Their best album imo. they should've stayed w sweat.

you should've hopped on one of their songs and dropped a verse breh.

 

[Craig Mack]

you should've hopped on one of their songs and dropped a verse breh.

puff was hating

 

[Homeboy Runny-Ray]

puff was hating

 

[JustCKing]

no its not a misquote. and could you please stop talking about the Olympics? sure it helped the economy down there. its supposed to be a booster, but if the economy wasn't already flourishing down there, you think the Olympic would've been held there? do you really think that? theres a reason why they held it in Atlanta and not Alabama or Mississippi. BE SMART SON. alot of people were already moving to the A. hell my mom was even talking about going down there. and charlotte as well, because charlotte was already trying to be a knock-off Atlanta long before the Olympics came thru.

and more specifically, we're talking music. thats where the labels were at, along with new York. it was already a music mecca, which is what our argument was about.

Atlanta was only slept-on compared to LA & NY in terms of hip-hop. they were #1 in terms of success in commercial black music overall, with most of the people being stationed there, not being natives of the city/state.

and the clique that you tried to claim as the crew responsible for the south's current rap success, they were a product of the main r&b machine down there, and that's where most of their success came from, moreso than the block.

so again, its not a misquote. I tagged you so that now you can see my point illustrated better. and obviously you do, even tho you'll never admit it.

You're telling me to stop talking about the Olympics? Did you not tag me in a post and rehash an argument from an entirely different thread?

If Atlanta didn't need the Olympics, they wouldn't have lobbied to have it held here. People already moving to the A =/= it being a mecca. Again, Atlanta was a big city, but it didn't become a mecca until after the Olympics. I'm talking globally. If you mention Atlanta among LA and NY now, it's not underrated.

Atlanta wasn't #1 in terms of success in commercial Black music back then. You still had labels like Def Jam and Bad Boy who were clearly head and shoulders above labels like La Face and So So Def.

Now we're really getting to the gist of what this whole back and forth is really about: Dungeon Family. Dungeon Family was more Atlanta than anything else La Face or any other act coming out of Atlanta had to offer at the time. You can't even mention La Face in connection with Atlanta without mentioning Dungeon Family because none of the other acts introduced audiences to the culture and feel of Atlanta the way that they did. Dungeon Family connected them to the city. In terms of what they did for The South:

DX: You guys debuted at second on the Billboard 200 Charts in 1995 with On Top Of The World, then 3Stacks hit the Source Awards with “The south got somethin’ to say.” What did you guys think about that at the time?

MJG: The door can feel somebody knockin. We had been there a long time and had the foundation. Us and cats before us like Ghetto boys and Pimp and them…UGK. All of us came out around the same time. They’re knockin’ and knockin’ and and it just had built up at that time. I think that’s the reason Andre had to get that off his chest. We was knockin and we was there and it was like we wasn’t being heard, but it just had built up to that point. I think that was the first real breakout year for the South.

8Ball & MJG Describe A Friendly Competition With Dr. Dre & Raising The South

Start a thread about Silk just to start separate arguments about a group you detest.

 

[Homeboy Runny-Ray]

You're telling me to stop talking about the Olympics? Did you not tag me in a post and rehash an argument from an entirely different thread?

If Atlanta didn't need the Olympics, they wouldn't have lobbied to have it held here. People already moving to the A =/= it being a mecca. Again, Atlanta was a big city, but it didn't become a mecca until after the Olympics. I'm talking globally. If you mention Atlanta among LA and NY now, it's not underrated.

lol @ "talking globally'

clearly I'm talking about black music.

come on. BE SMART SON.

Atlanta wasn't #1 in terms of success in commercial Black music back then. You still had labels like Def Jam and Bad Boy who were clearly head and shoulders above labels like La Face and So So Def.

Now we're really getting to the gist of what this whole back and forth is really about: Dungeon Family. Dungeon Family was more Atlanta than anything else La Face or any other act coming out of Atlanta had to offer at the time. You can't even mention La Face in connection with Atlanta without mentioning Dungeon Family because none of the other acts introduced audiences to the culture and feel of Atlanta the way that they did. Dungeon Family connected them to the city. In terms of what they did for The South:

lol @ def jam being bigger than laface.
and as far as bad boy being bigger than laface, why don't you ask clive davis that question, and watch him laugh in your face.

lol @ the bolded. you really don't know what this is about do you?
I'm beginning to think that I'm talking way too far over your head.

DX: You guys debuted at second on the Billboard 200 Charts in 1995 with On Top Of The World, then 3Stacks hit the Source Awards with “The south got somethin’ to say.” What did you guys think about that at the time?

MJG: The door can feel somebody knockin. We had been there a long time and had the foundation. Us and cats before us like Ghetto boys and Pimp and them…UGK. All of us came out around the same time. They’re knockin’ and knockin’ and and it just had built up at that time. I think that’s the reason Andre had to get that off his chest. We was knockin and we was there and it was like we wasn’t being heard, but it just had built up to that point. I think that was the first real breakout year for the South.

8Ball & MJG Describe A Friendly Competition With Dr. Dre & Raising The South

Start a thread about Silk just to start separate arguments about a group you detest.

why do you waste time googling stuff like this?
clearly hes speaking from the perspective of someone that's from the south, and hes verbally telling you that hes just guessing. dude even mentioned UGK of all people.

that 15 second andre rant at the source awards in '95 meant nothing until the media went back and tried to make it into some triumphant speech, nearly 15 years later.

as someone that's actually from the east coast, i can tell you that 8ball & mjg and especially UGK(lol) didn't break anything thru.
outkast's success didn't benefit anybody except the goodie mob. their appeal on the rap tip is coast-less. and they milked the r&b crowd for sales(laface) via that arrested development/pm dawn lane. that's no knock on any of these groups. its just real rap.

lol @ you thinking that I made this thread because of you. don't flatter yourself youngn.

 

[FloorGeneral]

Damn, this takes me back. Title track is straight classic. No debate. Used to sing the shyt outta that song. Whole album is nice. 'Freak Me' and 'Girl U For Me' immediately come to mind. They also dropped another of my favorite tracks, 'Deeper' off the Low Down Dirty Shame soundtrack. Loved these guys.

 

[JustCKing]

lol @ "talking globally'

clearly I'm talking about black music.

come on. BE SMART SON.

So Black music isn't global? What I'm referring to is that Atlanta as a city received global attention after the Olympics, which led to people from all over the world flocking here hence how it became a mecca.

lol @ def jam being bigger than laface.
and as far as bad boy being bigger than laface, why don't you ask clive davis that question, and watch him laugh in your face.

lol @ the bolded. you really don't know what this is about do you?
I'm beginning to think that I'm talking way too far over your head.

Def Jam and Bad Boy had several huge acts. We're talking the LL's, Run DMC's, Beastie Boys. That's not to mention huge acts like Jay Z and DMX who dropped multiple multi-platinum albums. Same goes for Bad Boy (Biggie, Mase, Puff himself, 112, Total who were all platinum or multi-platinum artists) vs. La Face (TLC, Toni Braxton, Usher, Monica, and OutKast).

as someone that's actually from the east coast, i can tell you that 8ball & mjg and especially UGK(lol) didn't break anything thru.
outkast's success didn't benefit anybody except the goodie mob. their appeal on the rap tip is coast-less. and they milked the r&b crowd for sales(laface) via that arrested development/pm dawn lane. that's no knock on any of these groups. its just real rap.

The world is bigger than the East Coast. The West, Midwest, and The th has something to day about that. And even being from East Coast, you're still wrong. Ball & G were one of the first acts outside of Face and a few others that East Coast artists were working with.

that 15 second andre rant at the source awards in '95 meant nothing until the media went back and tried to make it into some triumphant speech, nearly 15 years later.

The media didn't go back and do anything. This was something that was already noted.

outkast's success didn't benefit anybody except the goodie mob. their appeal on the rap tip is coast-less. and they milked the r&b crowd for sales(laface) via that arrested development/pm dawn lane. that's no knock on any of these groups. its just real rap.

lol @ you thinking that I made this thread because of you. don't flatter yourself youngn.

OutKast never milked the R&B crowd for sales and if you really want to take it there. Hip Hop itself milked the R&B crowd for sales by sampling and featuring R&B artists on records. Almost every Hip Hop artist especially in the 90's was guilty of it. Most benefited from getting play on R&B stations that might've never touched a Hip Hop record, but played it because of the R&B tinged sound and it had Mary J. (or another R&B artist) hook on it. Ironically, many of Kast's singles, especially in the 90's didn't have R&B hooks.


Never said you made this thread because of me. I specifically said group you detested in reference to Dungeon Family. Still don't understand why you tagged me about a post that has nothing to do with Silk.

 

[Homeboy Runny-Ray]

So Black music isn't global? What I'm referring to is that Atlanta as a city received global attention after the Olympics, which led to people from all over the world flocking here hence how it became a mecca.

WTF?

I feel like I'm talking to a wall.

youre just not with the chits. for some reason, you never get IT.

The world is bigger than the East Coast. The West, Midwest, and The th has something to day about that. And even being from East Coast, you're still wrong. Ball & G were one of the first acts outside of Face and a few others that East Coast artists were working with.

this is the dumb chit that I'm talking about.

ive seen people correct you on this numerous times on this board and youre still regurgitating the same dumbass arguments. this is why this is my last post headed your way. youre an ignorant ass dude man. I tried to help you but this is it for me.

just because youre working with artists from a certain region, IT DOESNT AUTOMATICALLY MEAN THAT YOURE POPPIN IN THAT REGION!!!!!!

Def Jam and Bad Boy had several huge acts. We're talking the LL's, Run DMC's, Beastie Boys. That's not to mention huge acts like Jay Z and DMX who dropped multiple multi-platinum albums. Same goes for Bad Boy (Biggie, Mase, Puff himself, 112, Total who were all platinum or multi-platinum artists) vs. La Face (TLC, Toni Braxton, Usher, Monica, and OutKast).

run dmc was never on def jam. in fact, they were on arista at one point, but i'll let you cook and keep running with them since they were part of the team.

youre comparing multi-platinum selling acts on def jam/bad boy to diamond & near-diamond selling acts on laface, and no, I'm not counting the $20 outkast double cd as diamond.
and when you talk laface, youre also talking about the acts directly signed to arista & others that were apart of that machine. they had a strong hand in acts like whitney Houston, boyz II men, etc.

OutKast never milked the R&B crowd for sales and if you really want to take it there. Hip Hop itself milked the R&B crowd for sales by sampling and featuring R&B artists on records..

youre not hip to anything at all, I see.

Still don't understand why you tagged me about a post that has nothing to do with Silk.

I mean, I broke it down to you in numerous threads, as to why I tagged you in here. what more do you want!!!??

I'm done. respond if you must, but I prolly wont read it. this discussion has gone absolutely nowhere.

 

[JustCKing]

WTF?

I feel like I'm talking to a wall.

youre just not with the chits. for some reason, you never get IT.

Either you have a rebuttal or you don't. Simple as that. If you don't, don't even bother quoting me. You tagged me.

this is the dumb chit that I'm talking about.

ive seen people correct you on this numerous times on this board and youre still regurgitating the same dumbass arguments. this is why this is my last post headed your way. youre an ignorant ass dude man. I tried to help you but this is it for me.

just because youre working with artists from a certain region, IT DOESNT AUTOMATICALLY MEAN THAT YOURE POPPIN IN THAT REGION!!!!!!

Nobody corrected me on anything. It would be one thing if it was some random East Coast acts featuring Eightball & MJG on records, but they were on albums from Mase, Mobb Deep, and Foxy Brown. Puff wanted to sign them and eventually ended up signing them, which means they were somebodies to some very important people on the East Coast.

run dmc was never on def jam. in fact, they were on arista at one point, but i'll let you cook and keep running with them since they were part of the team.

youre comparing multi-platinum selling acts on def jam/bad boy to diamond & near-diamond selling acts on laface, and no, I'm not counting the $20 outkast double cd as diamond.
and when you talk laface, youre also talking about the acts directly signed to arista & others that were apart of that machine. they had a strong hand in acts like whitney Houston, boyz II men, etc.

I'm not going to run (no pun) with anything. I was clearly mistaken and wrong about Run DMC being signed to Def Jam largely due to their sound and Run and Russel Simmons being brothers.

My comparison was showing that Bad Boy and Def Jam had more multi-platinum and platinum artists than La Face. That was my point. Diamond is a certification of shipments not the actual amount an artist sold. Therefore you can't just say "OutKast isn't diamond". OutKast went diamond just like Biggie did. 5 million shipments of a double album gets you a diamond certification.

Artists singed directly signed to Arista have nothing to do with La Face aside from the ones who got writing and production from Babyface and L.A. Reid, which is something that OutKast never benefited from because Face nor L.A. produced or wrote any of their music. It's a totally different sound and aesthetic from everything else La Face was putting out. It was a departure from everything else they were doing with La Face.

youre not hip to anything at all, I see.

Again, no real response I see.

I mean, I broke it down to you in numerous threads, as to why I tagged you in here. what more do you want!!!??

I'm done. respond if you must, but I prolly wont read it. this discussion has gone absolutely nowhere.

You broke nothing done. All you did was keep referring to how I was ducking this thread and hurl insults. I don't want anything. I didn't even ask to be tagged in a thread.

I'm glad you are done.