Republicans Try to Cut Food Stamps as 15% of U.S. Households Face Hunger

[Futuristic Eskimo]

Is this dude really trying to really trying to defend his position using ethics? Nevermind one's moral duty to make sure others have basic access to food, shelter and health care. We have a moral duty to make sure those that are well-off have the ability to hoard their wealth as much as possibleTheres a reason that Randian ethics had been thoroughly shyt on and thrown into the bushes until it was revived by the Koch brothers and other billionaires. Its not a serious position that any educated person that doesnt come from wealth would take.

 

[TLR Is Mental Poison]

If you reject the notion that you shouldn't forcibly take an arbitrary amount of $$$ from one person to give to another because you feel its ethical. Than I'm talking to you.

I didnt think anyone but liberals felt that way in this country... which is pretty naive of me, some conservatives can be for excessive welfare. Though I'd personally question it...

Sorry if I offended you.

Like I said 10 times already I am not for the welfare system as it stands... but we need to get the economy rolling before making such sweeping reform

Why is that so hard for you to understand/

I'm offended by your inability to absorb and respect other people's POV, rather than just paint everyone you disagree with with the same convenient talking point brush

People like you are the problem with American political discourse... its not even that we don't agree... its that you either lack the intelligence or common courtesy to at least stop and actually hear other points of view

 

[DEAD7]

Is this dude really trying to really trying to defend his position using ethics? Nevermind one's moral duty to make sure others have basic access to food, shelter and health care. We have a moral duty to make sure those that are well-off have the ability to hoard their wealth as much as possibleTheres a reason that Randian ethics had been thoroughly shyt on and thrown into the bushes until it was revived by the Koch brothers and other billionaires. Its not a serious position that any educated person that doesnt come from wealth would take.

I don't think you should initiate force against any free man



That said, are you suggesting morals/ethics are objective? and if so can you clearly define these objective morals/ethics?

 

[Trip]

Like I said 10 times already I am not for the welfare system as it stands... but we need to get the economy rolling before making such sweeping reform

Why is that so hard for you to understand/

I'm offended by your inability to absorb and respect other people's POV, rather than just paint everyone you disagree with with the same convenient talking point brush

People like you are the problem with American political discourse... its not even that we don't agree... its that you either lack the intelligence or common courtesy to at least stop and actually hear other points of view

lol....dude is literally the only one on this board willing to stand up for himself and not afraid say what he thinks. I'd argue the exact opposite.

 

[DEAD7]

People like you are the problem with American political discourse... its not even that we don't agree... its that you either lack the intelligence or common courtesy to at least stop and actually hear other points of view

Oh I hear them, and let them roll around.
Then I scrutinize/question aspects of them, questions that go ignored.
Then I decide my opinion on the position.

Spoiler

I'm actually particularly interested in the logic jump being made by people who look at the billion we spend in an area(education,welfare, war on drugs, etc.) look at the negative, or nonexistent results/effects, and conclude we should throw more money at it and see what happens...

I wouldn't be posting if I wasn't interested in other view points...

 

[Futuristic Eskimo]

I don't think you should initiate force against any free man


That said, are you suggesting morals/ethics are objective? and if so can you clearly define these objective morals/ethics?

Did you just define your morality objectively, then, in the next line, ask if I'm suggesting that morality is objective?

The deadmanny says it all. Your bullshyt philosophy is just selfishness re-branded as something its not.

 

[Brown_Pride]

Appeals to emotion are effective, no denying that...


But we must remember, it is the evil market economy that has lifted more people out of poverty than any social program ever, and that social justice at any cost isnt justice at all.

it's that same economy that has also been the driving force behind things like slavery, pharmaceuticals using known medications with horrific side effects, pollution, child labor, etc, etc

One of man's greatest vice is greed, you are essentially wanting to completely back a system of economics that exploits that vice to the fullest and then expect me to believe it'll all work out.

Call me crazy but i'd rather stick to a system that has the idea of checks and balances written into vs one that is completely hands off.

 

[Brown_Pride]

If you reject the notion that you shouldn't forcibly take an arbitrary amount of $$$ from one person to give to another because you feel its ethical. Than I'm talking to you.

I didnt think anyone but liberals felt that way in this country... which is pretty naive of me, some conservatives can be for excessive welfare. Though I'd personally question it...

Sorry if I offended you.

you say excessive welfare? NOt just welfare? At what point does it become "excessive" vs acceptable?

 

[DEAD7]

you say excessive welfare? NOt just welfare? At what point does it become "excessive" vs acceptable?

The excessive is more of a concession. We are never gonna be rid of welfare in this nation. Its to intertwined with every other problem we have... the best we... er "I" can hope for is some control over it.

I dont expect or advocate for the immediate ending of all social programs as its suggested at times.

I do however advocate for the stoppage of force against the free.

 

[DEAD7]

Did you just define your morality objectively, then, in the next line, ask if I'm suggesting that morality is objective?

The deadmanny says it all. Your bullshyt philosophy is just selfishness re-branded as something its not.

I defined nothing. I said "I dont think"

Its not your fault though. Its public schools that are at fault.

 

[Brown_Pride]

The excessive is more of a concession. We are never gonna be rid of welfare in this nation. Its to intertwined with every other problem we have... the best we... er "I" can hope for is some control over it.

I dont expect or advocate for the immediate ending of all social programs as its suggested at times.

I do however advocate for the stoppage of force against the free.

As you've liked this to slavery...
Would you have been for the partial abolish of slavery? If you're against force against teh free, and by that i assume you mean taxation, then shouldn't you be against all taxes? And yet you're ok with them and understand them to a degree? Would you also not "expect or advocate for the immediate ending of [slavery]" ?

So while you're against it, you're also understanding that it exists you're just concerned with the magnitude?

 

[Futuristic Eskimo]

You've been making comments on how you think redistributing wealth is morally wrong all over this thread.now you want to back off that? Don't be a fukkin ho.say what you mean.

you wouldn't even be able to get away with this low level commentary in a community college breh.You've been manipulated into defending an ideology that you nor 99% of society wouldn't benefit from.it's evident whose education has failed them

I defined nothing. I said "I dont think"

Its not your fault though. Its public schools that are at fault.

 

[Mr.Black]

good, make these sorry ass trash work like everybody else, if you're single you usually cant get food stamps anyway, the faster they stop dishing handouts, the faster these uneducated scum will stop taking money outta my goddamn check

 

[TLR Is Mental Poison]

lol....dude is literally the only one on this board willing to stand up for himself and not afraid say what he thinks. I'd argue the exact opposite.

So anyone who doesn't tow the conservative horseshyt line is afraid? You have no idea how ridiculous you sound

 

[Trip]

So anyone who doesn't tow the conservative horseshyt line is afraid? You have no idea how ridiculous you sound

Tow the line? Ha. Do you read this board? 99% of the views here are purely based off of emotion.

He's the only one consistently bringing a non popular view. Im surprised he hasnt been banned yet honestly.