Refuting the myth that Black American music/culture is "Europeanized".

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Afro-European Fusion Dance in The New World


...before I get to my next point....There are many of these type of dances in the new world than came out of the Afro-Latin-AfroAmerican-South American-West Indian peoples. For example even dances like Salsa or Rhumba have a European dance influence while having the improvisational, syncopations and body positioning of African influences.

Cuban Danzon

Cuban Danzon

Danzón was once called the official dance of Cuba. It is no longer an active musical form in Cuba, though it still survives in Mexico. Like the habanera, the danzón evolved from the contradanza. Originally, the contradanza was of English origin, and was evidently introduced to Cuba in the late 1700s by English visitors, Spanish colonists, and by French colonists fleeing the Haitian Revolution in the 1790s. In Cuba these dances were influenced by African rhythmic and dance styles, and so became a genuine fusion of European and African influences


The danzón developed in the second half of the 19th century, and has been an important root for Cuban music up to the present day. The precursors of danzón are the contradanza, and the habanera, which are creolized Cuban dance forms. The danzón was developed, according to one’s point of view, either by Manuel Saumell or by Miguel Faílde in Matanzas


The danzón, first stage

The contradanza, the danza and the habanera were sequence dances, in which all danced together a set of figures. The first use of the term danzón, which dates from the 1850s, is for just such a dance. Havana’s daily paper, El Triunfo, gave a description of this earlier danzón. It was a co-ordinated dance of figures performed by groups of Matanzas blacks. The dancers held the ends of colored ribbons, and carried flower-covered arches. The group twisted and entwined the ribbons to make pleasing patterns. This account can be corroborated by other references, for example, a traveler in Cuba noted in 1854 that black Cubans “do a kind of wreath dance, in which the whole company took part, amid innumerable artistic entanglements and disentanglements”.This style of danzón was performed at carnival comparsas by black groups: it is described that way before the late 1870s.


The interesting thing is that Faílde’s first danzóns were created for just such sequence dances. Faílde himself said “In Matanzas at this time there was a kind of square dance for twenty couples who carried arches and flowers. It was really a dance of figures (sequence dance), and its moves were adapted to the tempo of the habanera, which we took over for the danzón”


The danzón, second stage

The form of danzón created by Miguel Faílde in 1879 (Las alturas de Simpson), begins with an introduction (four bars) and paseo (four bars), which are repeated and followed by a 16-bar melody. The introduction and paseo again repeat before a second melody is played. The dancers do not dance during these sections: they choose partners, stroll onto the dance floor, and begin to dance at precisely the same moment: the fourth beat of bar four of the paseo, which has a distinctive percussion pattern that’s hard to miss. When the introduction is repeated the dancers stop, chat, flirt, greet their friends, and start again, right on time as the paseo finishes.


A later description after more Africanisms started taking over

Seen as scandalous
Similar to other dances in the Caribbean and Latin America, the danzón was initially regarded as scandalous, especially when it began to be danced by all classes of society. The slower rhythm of the danzón led to couples dancing closer, with sinuous movements of the hips and a lower centre of gravity. The author of a survey of prostitution in Havana devoted a whole chapter to the iniquities of dancing, and the danzón in particular.[13] Articles in newspapers and periodicals took up the theme:

"Because I love my country, it hurts me to see danzón at gatherings of decent people."[14]
"We recommend banning the danza and danzón because they are vestiges of Africa and should be replaced by essentially European dances such as the quadrille and rigadoon."[15]
Apparently, the danzón, which later became an insipid dance for older couples, was at first danced with "obscene movements" of the hips by young couples in close embrace, with bodies touching, and by couples who might come from different races...

"First we had the danza, then came the danzón... next it will be the rumba, and finally we'll all end up dancing ñáñigo!"[16]
So, behind the concern about music and dance were concerns about sexual licence, and about miscegenation, the mixing of races. As with other similar cases, the criticism was to no avail. The danzón became hugely popular, and was the dominant popular music in Cuba until the advent of the son in the 1920s. At length the Cuban government made Faílde the official inventor of the danzón – but not until 1960, by which time the danzón had become a relic, and its 'child', the chachachá, had taken over.[17]




Contradanza

The Cuban contradanza (also called contradanza criolla, danza or danza criolla) was a popular dance music genre of the 19th century.

Its origins dated back to the European contredanse, which was an internationally popular form of music and dance of the late 18th century. It was brought to Santiago de Cuba by French colonists fleeing the Haitian Revolution in the 1790s (Carpentier 2001:146). The earliest Cuban contradanza of which a record remains is "San Pascual Bailón," written in 1803 (Orovio 1981:118). This work shows the contradanza in its embryonic form, lacking characteristics that would later set it apart from the contredanse. The time signature is 2/4 with two sections of eight bars, repeated- AABB (Santos 1982).









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Now, THAT'S Awesome!

Jola girls doing what they call "pat pat"


Nice vid! Never seen it before.


Also, there's a word to be said about Caribbean nationalities that keep trying perpetuate the false notions that African aspects of African-American music/culture comes from their nations, but I wont derail the thread with all that for now.

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Afro-European Fusion Dance in The New World

Our most well known is probably Tap Dancing which is essentially West African body percussion(hambonin' basically) & walk around + British clogging & Irish jigging.


Except for the Indians' ritual dances, the first indigenous American art dance is tap dancing, whose roots lie in spirited Irish and English jigs and clog dances and in the rhythmic African improvisations that immigrants and free Africans combined spontaneously during the 1840s. Characterized by rapidly tapping toes and heels, usually in shoes fitted with metal tips, tap dancing evolved through both those of African desent, and European minstrel shows, revues, vaudeville, musical comedy, and film, accumulating sophisticated new sounds for the feet,such as brushes, slides, hops, rolls, and complex new accents for the upper body as it went along. In 1900 the Floradora Sextet performed the first synchronized tap routine. The 50 girls of the first Ziegfeld Follies (1907) constituted the first tapping chorus line.

Tap's Patriarch: Juba(juba dance, anyone)!

In Haskin's "Black Dance In America" the first name mentioned is "Uncle" Jim Lowe a black man that did jigs and reels in saloons and who was listed as an influence on the first great rhythm dancer William Henry Lane, also known as "Juba." Lane was born in 1825 and was well known by the 1840s. His dancing included African steps,like the shuffle and slide, added to the jig steps. He was the first to add syncopation and improvisation to his dancing. Haskins writes of an "emphasis on rhythm and percussion rather than melody."William Henry "Juba" Lane toured through New York and New England as well as traveling to London. He had a memorable series of challenges in Boston and New York with noted champion Irish step dancer Jack Diamondwhich had no clear victor. This didn't keep Lane from declaring himself "King." He also is known to have toured with white dancers dancing as a solo act (something that wasn't easily accomplished by black dancers in the early years of tap's explosive growth in the 1920s.) "Juba" Lane died in 1852 at the age of 27.

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African roots of Tap Dancing

Juba dance

The Juba dance or hambone, originally known as Pattin' Juba (Giouba, Haiti: Djouba), is a style of dance that involves stomping as well as slapping and patting the arms, legs, chest, and cheeks. "Pattin' Juba" would be used to keep time for other dances during a walkaround. A Juba Dance performance could include:


    • counter-clockwise turning, often with one leg raised
    • stomping and slapping
    • steps such as "the Jubal Jew," "Yaller Cat," "Pigeon Wing" and "Blow That Candle Out."
The dance traditionally ends with a step called "the Long Dog Scratch". Modern variations on the dance include Bo Diddley's "Bo Diddley Beat" and the step-shows of African American and Latino Greek organizations

History of the dance

The Juba dance was originally from West Africa. It became an African-American plantation dance that was performed by slaves during their gatherings when no rhythm instruments were allowed due to fear of secret codes hidden in the drumming. The sounds were also used just as Yoruba and Haitian talking drums were used to communicate.[2] The dance was performed in Dutch Guiana, the Caribbean, and the southern United States.[3]

Later in the mid-19th century, music and lyrics were added, and there were public performances of the dance. Its popularization may have indirectly influenced the development of modern Tap dance The most famous Juba dancer was William Henry Lane, or Master Juba, one of the first black performers in the United States. It was often danced in minstrel shows, and is mentioned in songs such as "Christy's New Song" and "Juba",[4] the latter by Nathaniel Dett.[5]


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William Henry Lane is credited as one of the most influential figures in the creation of American tap dance. Lane developed a unique style of using his body as a musical instrument, blending African-derived syncopated rhythms with movements of the Irish jig and reel. Lane’s melding of these vernacular dance forms is recognizable today as the foundations of the ever-evolving style of American tap dance.

Free-born in Providence, Rhode Island around 1825, Lane began learning the Irish jig and reel from “Uncle” Jim Lowe, a dance hall and saloon performer in New York City. By the age of ten, Lane was performing in Paradise Square in the Five Points District of New York, where a high concentration of African American and Irish populations lived alongside each other. The vernacular dance forms of these two ethnic groups intermingled, providing Lane access to the different rhythmic and movement foundations that facilitated the development of his style of dance.

Lane’s original use of different areas of his feet to create rhythms, keep time, and improvise complex, syncopated rhythms was revolutionary for the 1840s. He used his heels to create the deeper tones of the bass drum, and the balls of his feet to layer softer, higher sounds. Keeping with African oral traditions, Lane incorporated singing and laughter into his performances, adding another layer to his rhythmic creations. Through these innovative combinations of rhythm, footwork, improvisation, and vocals, Lane created a blended style of African dance and British Isle folk dance still recognizable in modern times. Students studying tap in the 21st century can attribute the styles they learn to Lane.

Around 1840 Lane was hired by P.T. Barnum to perform at Barnum’s Museum and was billed as “Master Juba, the Dancing Wonder of the Age.” By 1846 Lane was touring New England and Europe with Pell’s Ethiopian Serenaders and received top billing as the only African American among a troupe of white performers who appeared on stage in blackface makeup (burnt cork), the traditional format for minstrel shows at the time.


William Henry Lane (1825 - 1852) was known as Master Juba and the "Juba dance," also known as "Pattin' Juba," was a mix of European Jig, Reel Steps, Clog and African Rhythms. It became popular around 1845. This was, some say, the creation of Tap in America as a theatrical art form and American Jazz dance.

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MASTER JUBA


Tap dancing originated with African dancers in early America. When dancing, they would articulate rhythmic patterns through chugging, scooping, brushing and shuffling movements of the feet. These dancers came to be called Levee Dancers throughout the south. White performers copied many of these intricate steps and eventually the Shuffle Dance style found fame within the minstrel shows.

Although Irish Clooging and American Tap both feature precussive footwork, the dance don't have the same vocabulary. Tap dance is very syncopated and loose in a way that aligns with the syncopations of Jazz




Whereas, Clogging-Irish Step Dance is stiff-upright and lacks the syncopation




Tap Dance and Irish Clogging share deep roots.

Clog dances were often performed in wooden soled shoes. In Irish clog dancing, no thought is given to upper body movements. Almost rigid -- the shoulders and arms are kept motionless.




Reportedly, the most difficult of the Irish clogs are the Irish Jigs and Hornpipes. In some of these, the feet can tap the floor four or five times per second. Irish clog dancer, John "Jack" Diamond (1828 - 1850) was considered one of the greatest "Jig Dancers" of his day.

Modern tap dancing slowly evolved though the years 1900 to 1920.

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Irish dancer - 1905


http://www.theatredance.com/tap/




 

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Our most well known is probably Tap Dancing which is essentially West African body percussion(hambonin' basically) & walk around + British clogging & Irish jigging.




Tap's Patriarch: Juba(juba dance, anyone)!



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Master Juba and the African Roots of American Step Dance by Peter Szego

Master Juba and the
African Roots of American Step Dance

By Peter Szego
Our understanding of the African roots of American vernacular rhythm dance—buck dancing, flat footing, and tap dance—is complicated by the extraordinary popularity of blackface minstrelsy through much of the 19th century. From its inception around 1830, minstrelsy consisted almost entirely of blacked-up white entertainers who represented their highly caricatured performances as authentic “delineations” of the music

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and dance of enslaved Africans on southern plantations. It wouldn’t be until well after the Civil War that African Americans performed in large enough numbers to provide opportunities to view actual black music and dance on the minstrel stage. Today, it remains a challenge to determine what elements of minstrel performance actually represented African music and dance, and how these would in turn influence American vernacular music and dance.
It’s no exaggeration to state that blackface minstrelsy’s popularity exploded because of a singular stage act. In 1828 the white actor Thomas Dartmouth Rice blacked up, put on tattered clothes, and introduced his song and dance routine, “Jump Jim Crow.” It became an instant hit on both sides of the Atlantic, thereby becoming America’s first mass market entertainment—and our first mass entertainment export.

Rice related how he learned a “ludicrous” song and dance from a local black man and instantly transformed it into a popular theatrical performance. This self-aggrandizing claim of authenticity, based on learning directly from blacks, was to become a common theme in minstrelsy.

According to one of several contemporary accounts, “Back of the theatre was a livery stable kept by a man named Jim Crow . . . He was very much deformed, the right shoulder being drawn high up, the left leg stiff and crooked at the knee, giving him a painful, at the same time laughable limp. He used to croon a queer old tune with words of his own, and at the end of each verse would give a little jump, and when he came down he set his ‘heel a-rockin!’ He called it ‘jumping Jim Crow.’

“Rice watched him closely, and saw that here was a character unknown to the stage. He wrote several verses, changed the air somewhat, quickened it a good deal, made up exactly like [Crow], and sang it to a Louisville audience. They were wild with delight, and on the first night he was recalled twenty times.”

Rice’s performance of Jump Jim Crow “eventually turned him into the highest paid minstrel performer around” and, by 1838, the Boston Post reported that, “the two most popular characters in the world at the present time are [Queen] Victoria and Jim Crow.”

Assuming that the description of the stable hand is accurate, the very characteristics that are described as “deformed” and “laughable” are probably the most African elements of Crow’s dance: his nonchalance, the bent knees, swaying hips, loose arm and shoulder movements, and the basic asymmetry of the dance. In his definitive book, Jazz Dance, Marshall Stearns observes, “Jump Jim Crow resembles Trucking, the Thirties dance . . . shuffling forward while the index finger of one hand wiggles shoulder-high in the sky. The dance probably consisted of flat-footed shuffles, mixed with the Irish jig, over-exaggerated upper body movements, pirouettes and a syncopated hop and jump at the finish of each chorus . . . It [is] clear that the dance, not the melody, made Jump Jim Crow a national craze.”

Over the next decade, blacked-up entertainers continued to perform between the acts in venues ranging from theatrical productions to circuses throughout America. On February 17, 1843, four blackface performers presented the first complete, evening-long minstrel performance in New York City. As The Virginia Minstrels, the four claimed to delineate, “the Sports and Pastimes of the Virginia Colored Race, through the medium of Songs, Refrain and Ditties, as sung by the Southern Slaves, at all their Merry Meetings, such as the gatherings in the Cotton and Sugar Crops, Corn Huskings, Slave Weddings and Junkets.” White performers would continue to appropriate and blur the identity of African-American music and dance in blacked-up performances well into the twentieth century.

Within this all-white theatrical world there was a singular exception to the total absence of black performers: the brilliant and innovative African American dancer, William Henry Lane, or Master Juba. And it is a fortuitous coincidence that one of the greatest chroniclers of his day, Charles dikkens, nicknamed Boz, would cross paths with Master Juba.

William Henry Lane, born a free black around 1825 in Providence, Rhode Island, had already attracted attention with his dancing by the age of 10. Marion Winters writes that Lane “learned much of his art from ‘Uncle’ Jim Lowe, a Negro jig and reel dancer of exceptional skill, whose performances were confined to saloons, dance halls, and similar locales outside the regular theaters.” He would soon adopt the stage name, Master Juba, and would be dancing for his supper of fried eels and ale in New York City.

http://www.oldtimeherald.org/archive/back_issues/volume-10/10-1/master-juba.html

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@ 5:25-5:50 represents the stiff upright Irish clogging style

@5:55->7:00 represents the African influenced Buck Dance/Tap Style





Not much of the body is left free for action, but Irish step-dance does make the most of what is permitted: Feet tap at rapid pace, legs kick high, knees lift and twist about. Partly because it is so stereotypically masculine, traditional Irish dance is actually quite exciting, albeit from the hips down.

Even so, if anything enlivened this show, it was the infusion of other dance forms, such as tap, which allowed for much more fluid movement onstage. True, the American art of tap owes something to Irish step-dance, but it is truly an African American invention and so reflects the sophisticated characteristics of African dance. Arms gesture elegantly, torsos shake and undulate, heads punctuate the action. All these movements were fully evident in “Trading Taps,” when several Irish dancers challenged three African Americans to a duel. Tap dancers Van “The Man” Porter, Martin “Tre” Dumas III, and Parris Mann proved favorites of the audience as they engaged in carefree one-upmanship against Kevin McCormack, the uncharismatic male star of the show.

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@IllmaticDelta You know, I was thinking that in a similar fashion that Classical Piano, to Ragtime, to Boogie Woogie represent a progressively European to Africanized style continuum respectively for piano playing. Irish step, to Tap dance, to Hambonin'/the Turnaround does for dancing.

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@IllmaticDelta You know, I was thinking that in a similar fashion that Classical Piano, to Ragtime, to Boogie Woogie represent a progressively European to Africanized style continuum respectively for piano playing. Irish step, to Tap dance, to Hambonin'/the Turnaround does for dancing.

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Agreed on all but Boogie Woogie. It's easier to the see the transformation with Classial-March to Classic Ragtime instead of Folk Ragtime but Boogie Woogie is waayy different.
 

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Agreed on all but Boogie Woogie. It's easier to the see the transformation with Classial-March to Classic Ragtime instead of Folk Ragtime but Boogie Woogie is waayy different.

You mean folk ragtime/proto new orleans jazz like Buddy Bolden? Because if so, Ragtime took a turn towards Boogie Woogie in Northeast Texas, similar to how it took a turn towards Jazz in New Orleans. Keep in mind the "king of ragtime", Scott Joplin, was from the piney woods of Northeast Texas same place were Boogie Woogie arose. The freed AA slaves who were musically illiterate working at the railroad companies thus had access to pianos in Marshall would've definitely been familiar with Classical Ragtime and sought to give their own informal take on it.
 
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You mean folk ragtime/proto new orleans jazz like Buddy Bolden? Because if so, Ragtime took a turn towards Boogie Woogie in Northeast Texas, similar to how it took a turn towards Jazz in New Orleans. Keep in mind the "king of ragtime", Scott Joplin, was from the piney woods of Northeast Texas same place were Boogie Woogie arose. The freed AA slaves who were musically illiterate working at the railroad companies thus had access to pianos in Marshall would've definitely been familiar with Classical Ragtime and sought to give their own informal take on it.

Boogie and Ragtime time only really share the right hand syncopated parts.

Similarities and Differences Between Boogie Woogie and Ragtime:

"They All Played Ragtime,"8 (But Only Some of Them Played Boogie Woogie)44

Although the words, “Boogie Woogie” and “Ragtime” have occasionally been used synonymously, there is no question that the modern meanings of these terms refer to different musical attributes. Nonetheless, some of the same sensibilities, especially in the right-hand parts, informed both Boogie Woogie and Ragtime.

Although his exact place of his birth is uncertain, evidence indicates that Scott Joplin, the Father of Ragtime, was born in Northeast Texas, somewhere between Texarkana and Marshall Texas, possibly near Linden, where his family was known to be living not long after Scott's birth. Scott Joplin's father moved the Joplin family to Texarkana so that Joplin's father could take a job with the Texas & Pacific Railroad. Scott Joplin took his first piano lessons in Texarkana. Joplin was known to have had a classically-trained German piano teacher, Julius Weiss, who was born in Saxony, circa 1840-1841. Weiss might very well have brought a Polka "oompah" rhythmic sensibility from the old country to Texarkana, Texas, where Joplin was his pupil.

The syncopated right-hand melodic parts of Ragtime are very similar to right-hand parts and motifs frequently heard in Boogie Woogie. Indeed, some of the syncopated right-handed parts of Ragtime are virtually indistinguishable to what appears in the right-handed parts of Boogie Woogie. If it were not for Boogie Woogie having developed left-handed ostinatos distinctive from the harmonically-constrained, straight, 2-beat oom-pah pulse of Ragtime, and if it were not for the polyrhythmic interplay between right and left hands in Boogie Woogie, it might have never come to be regarded as a style distinguishable from Ragtime. That fact there is a high degree of similarity between Joplin's syncopated, percussive right-handed parts and the syncopated, percussive right-handed parts of Boogie Woogie suggests that both Ragtime and Boogie Woogie were being influenced by the same stylistic sensibilities and tendencies present in African Americans in Northeast Texas from at least the 1870s onward.

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Scott Joplin's most distinctive compositional attribute was that of combining syncopated and percussive right-handed motifs with a European Polka harmonic structure. According to “The History of the Blues” (1995 by Francis Davis, Hyperion, New York), “Ragtime borrowed its harmonic schemes and its march like tempos from Europe, but the syncopations that marked it as new were African-American in origin, possibly derived from the music of rural fiddle and banjo players.”7 However, Joplin's left hand Ragtime bass lines did not break new ground. They were harmonically appropriate to support the right-hand parts, yet were not very musically interesting or innovative in and of themselves. Consequently, as a result of its simplistic left-hand 2/4 "oompah" bass line, the Ragtime style has a different feel than Boogie Woogie. As compared to Boogie Woogie, Ragtime (mainly because of its left-hand parts) almost always feels rigid, unvarying, and march like.

Indeed, in "The Smithsonian Collection of Classic Jazz" (1987, Smithsonian Institution Press)38, Martin Williams states (page 13), "Ragtime was basically a piano keyboard music and, one might say, an Afro-American version of the polka, or its analog, the Sousa-style march." In this same publication Martin Williams also states (page 14) that "ragtime introduced, in the accents of its right-hand melodies, delightful syncopations onto the heavy 2/4 oompah rhythm of its cakewalk-derived bass line...."38 Yet, precisely because of the lack of syncopation in the left-hand bass lines, the poly-rhythmic potential of Ragtime was severely limited as compared to the simultaneous right and left-hand syncopations of Boogie Woogie, and other forms of Jazz that developed later.

The regular, and incessant, 2/4 “oompah” polka-like left-hand bass lines of Ragtime give it a distinctively different march like feel with less potential for the poly-rhythmic complexities when combined with right-hand parts. In contrast, the shuffled, walking, swinging, or “rolling” bass line of Boogie Woogie can yield substantial polyrhythmic complexity when combined with intricate right-handed parts of Boogie Woogie. Although some Ragtime had intricate right-hand parts, because of the unvarying, non-syncopated left-hand bass lines, Ragtime never realized the polyrhythmic heights achieved by Boogie Woogie. Indeed, in Music in a New Found Land: Themes and Developments in the History of American Music14, Wilfrid Mellers writes (page 278):

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Oh okay, so you're going off of the both hand syncopation aspect of BW. Which is true and it also has a unique ostinatino bass line, but it's played on the blues scale like folk ragtime.

Boogie Woogie based on some accounts (1870's) is older than Ragtime or contemperous with it. IMO, Boogie isn't an offshoot of Ragtime.
 

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Boogie Woogie based on some accounts (1870's) is older than Ragtime or contemperous with it. IMO, Boogie isn't an offshoot of Ragtime.

Yeah, I know that the barrelhouse piano scene arose in the almost immediate post-emancipation 1870s, though I guess it depends on what you consider ragtime time as some would trace the earliest rags to the cakewalk minstrels in the southern plantations in the 1840-60s. Though traditional Classical ragtime is most likely contemporaneous to boogie woogie. So, I guess you'd be correct in stating it's probably not an offshoot. Though, one can't deny Ragtime took off before Boogie Woogie.

But, then this raises an interesting question: Given the differences between BW and Ragtime, what pre-emancipation, most likely from the plantation, songs and dances influenced Boogie Woogie like say the Cakewalk did Ragtime? As there's little chance that BW came directly from Africa, even though there were still some African born people from the late slave trade in Texas in the 1870s. The earliest BW players had to have been overwhelming American-born so there had to have been some intermediate songs and dances to act as a vessel to transfer these Africanized aspects such as two hand syncopation, basslines, improvisation(even more so than NO jazz), blues scales etc etc to the piano.
 
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Yeah, I know that the barrelhouse piano scene arose in the almost immediate post-emancipation 1870s, though I guess it depends on what you consider ragtime time as some would trace the earliest rags to the cakewalk minstrels in the southern plantations in the 1840-60s. Though traditional Classical ragtime is most likely contemporaneous to boogie woogie. So, I guess you'd be correct in stating it's probably not an offshoot. Though, one can't deny Ragtime took off before Boogie Woogie.

yeah because Ragtime pianist traveled around more to spread the music and then sheet music was made for it which made it easier for the white masses to learn it. This never happened with Boogie Woogie until the 30's.


But, then this raises an interesting question: Given the differences between BW and Ragtime, what pre-emancipation, most likely from the plantation, songs and dances influenced Boogie Woogie like say the Cakewalk did Ragtime? As there's little chance that BW came directly from Africa, even though there were still some African born people from the late slave trade in Texas in the 1870s. The earliest BW players had to have been overwhelming American-born so there had to have been some intermediate songs and dances to act as a vessel to transfer these Africanized aspects such as two hand syncopation, basslines, improvisation(even more so than NO jazz), blues scales etc etc to the piano.

Good question. Alot of early black american music went undocumented outside of sacred music.

Whether it was called Barrelhouse piano, Fast Country, Fast Texas, house-rent blues or, only later, Boogie Woogie, the music had two key components...the uptempo bass line and the ham fisted piano playing style. The etymology of the phrase "boogie woogie" is a little vague, but the consensus seems to be that the term derives from an African term that was a colloquialism for intercourse. Indeed, the word "Jazz" is also attributed the same meaning. Wikipedia has an interesting article on the African roots of the term, which notes

Dr. John Tennison, a San Antonio psychiatrist, pianist, and musicologist has suggested some interesting linguistic precursors.[2] Among them are four African terms, including the Hausa word "Boog" and the Mandingo word "Booga", both of which mean "to beat", as in beating a drum. There is also the West African word "Bogi", which means "to dance",[3] and the Bantu term "Mbuki Mvuki", which means, "Mbuki—to take off in flight" and Mvuki—"to dance wildly, as if to shake off ones clothes".[4] The meanings of all these words are consistent with the percussiveness, dancing, and uninhibited behaviors historically associated with boogie-woogie music. Their African origin is also consistent with the evidence that the music originated among newly emancipated African Americans.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/...o-the-Bar-The-Birth-and-Life-of-Boogie-Woogie
 
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