Recent study finds that 60% of men under 30 are single due to social media and the internet

[Scaaar]

Here is my argument…. Keep going out there and getting played. Learn from your mistake. Actually take feedback, sit in it, and let it make you grow. Maybe dust off some of that PUA shyt.

They can’t get better with women unless they get their heart broken and grow from it.

That's how a majority of all men learned the game. You gotta actively participate in it and take your bumps and bruises. But that's how you know what type of woman you truly want and how to approach and treat her when you encounter her.

 

[Wargames]

That's how a majority of all men learned the game. You gotta actively participate in it and take your bumps and bruises. But that's how you know what type of woman you truly want and how to approach and treat her when you encounter her.

Exactly! 100% the game always been shyt. You got to adapt to it and grow. shyt is different now, ok, figure out how to get ahead of that. There are always angles you can use to get yours stop complaining about the other man or woman. I wish I could just tell these young dudes….

Go Get Yours!

Because no one is going to give it to you. Not Trump, not some podcaster, not your parents. All the Algorithms can do is show you what isn’t yours. Only you can go out there and get yours, whatever the fukk that might be.

 

[High Art]

Bro I was in school during my 20’s. I know dudes who met their wife’s in their 20’s.

All of us were thinking with our dikks. It’s normal, what’s not normal is not thinking with your dikk and trying to be a some sort of disciplined monk. You can be focused on self improvement and getting p*ssy. The two things are not mutually exclusive. I am not saying go and blow a paycheck on whores, but the pursuit of women in your 20’s is normal. You can be a complete lame in your 20’s and through trial and error be a player in your 30’s or even better know the difference between a Ho and housewife. That comes with experience not from tips from a podcaster.

Y'all are selling the same thing really. Some random person on the internet swearing up and down that their way of doing things is better but not explaining why. The point is, these dudes are content, and if you've interacted with some of them, they are. They're indifferent to a lot of this shyt. Many of them aren't on social media or any of that shyt. The point is, give them a reason to leave their contentment and listen to you. What is your selling point? If your selling point is their abnormal shytter that aren't living their lives properly because you say so, you've lost. p*ssy is not enough. Because attached to that p*ssy may be a monster. Why should they take that chance?

 

[Mandarin Duck]

Being 35 I feel like I'm apart of that first generation of folks who struggled with women and used the Internet as a crutch.

Didn't get women in HS, didn't get women in college and instead of pursuing women in my 20's I lost my virginity to a prostitute.

Now I wouldn't know the first thing about getting into a relationship or seeing a woman I'm attracted to and knowing what to say.

I hope the people younger than me don't go down that same route.

I think there needs to be more conversations about the taboo topic of male self esteem because imo that's all it comes down to.

If I had a foundation of self esteem to build and work on with women at a younger age I would have pursued them.

I convinced myself women wouldn't like me for who I am so I looked for other ways to see be sexually satisfied.

 

[High Art]

The moment the manosphere went from PUA to MGTOW it lost the plot….

There was a time when PUA was demonized. By a lot of the same men and women (especially women) tacitly praising it now. The issue is, a lot of these young guys grew up while PUA was being demonized. Some of them were around for when it was created as well. They got the message. However, they've also seen the shift. A lot of the same people who called PUA predators are now sounding like PUA. These same people are the ones telling these dudes to listen to them now. That's the problem a decent number of them have. Also, living in a society that simultaneously says a woman can do all that a man can do, a woman is equal to a man, where breaking gender barriers and going against gender norms is celebrated yet still wants to claim that men are to do all kinds of hoops and tricks for p*ssy and a woman's entertainment (this is how a lot see it) is mind-numbing. Even more when the same people to buy into this seemingly raw deal will also call the very dudes they are trying to "help" incels, lie, and laugh and mock their predicament. It's a complete mess and no wonder they tune out these voices for their own lives. Add in that some are content, then you have the current state of affairs.

This is what I mean. You have to overcome all of this and come up with a new selling point since the old ones are essentially rubbish now.

 

[Wargames]

Y'all are selling the same thing really. Some random person on the internet swearing up and down that their way of doing things is better but not explaining why. The point is, these dudes are content, and if you've interacted with some of them, they are. They're indifferent to a lot of this shyt. Many of them aren't on social media or any of that shyt. The point is, give them a reason to leave their contentment and listen to you. What is your selling point? If your selling point is their abnormal shytter that aren't living their lives properly because you say so, you've lost. p*ssy is not enough. Because attached to that p*ssy may be a monster. Why should they take that chance?

It’s not a selling point because I don’t want to sell this. It’s literally the saying the game is to be sold not told, cause your saying some people won’t believe it if you give it away for free.

Millennial was the “failure to launch” generation before they weren’t. A lot of these young men issues is they are just that, young guys who haven’t got a career established. The quicker they go other there and grind it out, the quicker better opportunities including more women will become available. There is literally nothing new under the Sun, it’s just there turn at the bottom of the totem and the smart move is to start climbing now before they get stuck there.

 

[High Art]

It’s not a selling point because I don’t want to sell this. It’s literally the saying the game is to be sold not told, cause your saying some people won’t believe it if you give it away for free.

Millennial was the “failure to launch” generation before they weren’t. A lot of these young men issues is they are just that, young guys who haven’t got a career established. The quicker they go other there and grind it out, the quicker better opportunities including more women will become available. There is literally nothing new under the Sun, it’s just there turn at the bottom of the totem and the smart move is to start climbing now before they get stuck there.

If you want someone to change, you have to give them a reason why. Simple as that. You have to give them a selling point or they will ignore you. Everything else is just noise and useless pontificating to them. And you can't really blame them. They will look at you and say "who are you to disturb my peace?" and you don't have a reason why. If p*ssy is all you have, they'll be like Kendrick and say it's not enough.

 

[Strapped]

They can't they gotta sub to all those OF accounts, send superchats, and buy those 10-step masculinity courses lol

Regular people ain't got the money for that nonsense

 

[Wargames]

There was a time when PUA was demonized. By a lot of the same men and women (especially women) tacitly praising it now. The issue is, a lot of these young guys grew up while PUA was being demonized. Some of them were around for when it was created as well. They got the message. However, they've also seen the shift. A lot of the same people who called PUA predators are now sounding like PUA. These same people are the ones telling these dudes to listen to them now. That's the problem a decent number of them have. Also, living in a society that simultaneously says a woman can do all that a man can do, a woman is equal to a man, where breaking gender barriers and going against gender norms is celebrated yet still wants to claim that men are to do all kinds of hoops and tricks for p*ssy and a woman's entertainment (this is how a lot see it) is mind-numbing. Even more when the same people to buy into this seemingly raw deal will also call the very dudes they are trying to "help" incels, lie, and laugh and mock their predicament. It's a complete mess and no wonder they tune out these voices for their own lives. Add in that some are content, then you have the current state of affairs.

This is what I mean. You have to overcome all of this and come up with a new selling point since the old ones are essentially rubbish now.

You think every chick is the same?

PUA did go To far at the end. It got weird. It went from let me draw attention to myself and learn to be fun and engaging with women and not be nervous…. To I got to control a woman’s mind. You got to scrutinize it but there is shyt there worth learning.

Every woman is not the same and they can be multiple things.

Women are equal to men. Some will be better than you. Some will be worst than you. They have their ways just like we have ours. You can get with women off all types as long as your intentions match your means.

I do think they are smarter than us, but if being smart meant you was doing better Donald Trump would be a dishwasher.

Stop worry about all women, focus on the women you know. If you got a problem with the women you know…. Go and meet some new women. Women are everywhere and for every rotten bytch there is a intelligent dime.

I am legit tired of these young men tuning older men out and then acting morally superior for it. Young men are not special. Older men went through the same shyt. No one helped us, so we don’t feel inclined to help you. If you want to improve you got to suffer just like we did. If you don’t care about improving and prefer to stay content, stop complaining about it, just accept it.

All that angst is the cognitive dissonance of wanting something you can’t have because you don’t want to work to get it.

If you want someone to change, you have to give them a reason why. Simple as that. You have to give them a selling point or they will ignore you. Everything else is just noise and useless pontificating to them. And you can't really blame them. They will look at you and say "who are you to disturb my peace?" and you don't have a reason why. If p*ssy is all you have, they'll be like Kendrick and say it's not enough.

Maybe we’re missing each other. If you want to just do you and not complain about it. Fine, but this whole thread is dudes complaining about the women and I’m telling ya’ll the women ain’t the problem. The women are the same. It’s the same numbers, Funtime, logistics game men been running for about 80 years now. Ain’t a person on this thread whose grandfather ain’t have to figure this shyt out too.

 

[Mandarin Duck]

If you want someone to change, you have to give them a reason why. Simple as that. You have to give them a selling point or they will ignore you. Everything else is just noise and useless pontificating to them. And you can't really blame them. They will look at you and say "who are you to disturb my peace?" and you don't have a reason why. If p*ssy is all you have, they'll be like Kendrick and say it's not enough.

The idea of having enough distractions/low self-esteem to simply not be interested in pursuing women is foreign to most men offline if we're being honest though.

I get it because it's who I am, but if I tried to explain my situation to your average male offline they wouldn't understand it like @Wargames

I think from his perspective sex should be enough of an incentive, but in today's time, it's not.

 

[KidJSoul]

Man these conversations go nowhere becsuse people keep on trying to have a 1 size fits all solution



"Men are unhygienic social awkward incels who only chase IG baddies"



Or



"Women have unrealistically high standards and are willing to date the same top 10% of men even if he won't commit"



It's not one or the other. It's little bit of both, plus society changing how people interact



A lot of what made men attractive was alwyas based on traditional masculinity. Don't act feminine, be assertive in chasing women, act like a guy, deep voice, approach





But societal efforts to stop toxic masculinity, and social media making people less social made this worse. Most men don't know how to have sex appeal. And rely on redpill for that stuff. And women feel like they have endless options since men outnumber women on dating apps. Voila

 

[Wargames]

Being 35 I feel like I'm apart of that first generation of folks who struggled with women and used the Internet as a crutch.

Didn't get women in HS, didn't get women in college and instead of pursuing women in my 20's I lost my virginity to a prostitute.

Now I wouldn't know the first thing about getting into a relationship or seeing a woman I'm attracted to and knowing what to say.

I hope the people younger than me don't go down that same route.

I think there needs to be more conversations about the taboo topic of male self esteem because imo that's all it comes down to.

If I had a foundation of self esteem to build and work on with women at a younger age I would have pursued them.

I convinced myself women wouldn't like me for who I am so I looked for other ways to see be sexually satisfied.

The idea of having enough distractions/low self-esteem to simply not be interested in pursuing women is foreign to most men offline if we're being honest though.

I get it because it's who I am, but if I tried to explain my situation to your average male offline they wouldn't understand it like @Wargames

I think from his perspective sex should be enough of an incentive, but in today's time, it's not.

That is true I am offline a lot. This is my downtime site. I am an extrovert too. You being older… I can’t assume it’s how you are raised. Are you an introvert, because those men tend to need to meet women in their small social circle like work or church?

Does your job give you a chance to meet women.

Oh shyt is this whole thing introvert men who are no longer working with women because women have jobs with degrees and men don’t?!?



Did Covid make more men introverts?

 

[High Art]

You think every chick is the same?

No. But society does. That's the problem there. That said, societal level problems won't be fixed any time soon so a simple acknowledgement of them is generally enough for some dudes.

PUA did go To far at the end. It got weird. It went from let me draw attention to myself and learn to be fun and engaging with women and not be nervous…. To I got to control a woman’s mind. You got to scrutinize it but there is shyt there worth learning.

Every woman is not the same and they can be multiple things.

Women are equal to men. Some will be better than you. Some will be worst than you. They have their ways just like we have ours. You can get with women off all types as long as your intentions match your means.

I do think they are smarter than us, but if being smart meant you was doing better Donald Trump would be a dishwasher.

Stop worry about all women, focus on the women you know. If you got a problem with the women you know…. Go and meet some new women. Women are everywhere and for every rotten bytch there is a intelligent dime.

I am legit tired of these young men tuning older men out and then acting morally superior for it. Young men are not special. Older men went through the same shyt. No one helped us, so we don’t feel inclined to help you. If you want to improve you got to suffer just like we did. If you don’t care about improving and prefer to stay content, stop complaining about it, just accept it.

All that angst is the cognitive dissonance of wanting something you can’t have because you don’t want to work to get it.


Maybe we’re missing each other. If you want to just do you and not complain about it. Fine, but this whole thread is dudes complaining about the women and I’m telling ya’ll the women ain’t the problem. The women are the same. It’s the same numbers, Funtime, logistics game men been running for about 80 years now. Ain’t a person on this thread whose grandfather ain’t have to figure this shyt out too.

One issue is that some of the dudes here are actually married and are commenting on what they see others going through. I sympathize because I see that shyt and I'm shocked what some dudes have to go through. It's wild to me.

 

[Wargames]

No. But society does. That's the problem there.



One issue is that some of the dudes here are actually married and are commenting on what they see others going through. I sympathize because I see that shyt and I'm shocked what some dudes have to go through. It's wild to me.

I think the internet does, especially social media. Low-key people don’t post anymore they are just addicted to their feed.

 

[Mandarin Duck]

That is true I am offline a lot. This is my downtime site. I am an extrovert too. You being older… I can’t assume it’s how you are raised. Are you an introvert, because those men tend to need to meet women in their small social circle like work or church?

Does your job give you a chance to meet women.

Oh shyt is this whole thing introvert men who are no longer working with women because women have jobs with degrees and men don’t?!?



Did Covid make more men introverts?

I'm an introvert.

I speak when spoken too.

I'm from a small farming town with very few black people.


Grew up seeing guys easily get women and you always have that thought of "So what's wrong with me?"

I could probably meet women at my job, but I'm not interested.

1. My self esteem
2. The idea of things going south and me being unemployed.

I work for the state of CA and it happens a lot.

I went on a few dates last year but it's pretty easy to tell I have no dating experience so it never goes anywhere.

At 35 can't blame a woman for not wanting to deal with that.