Ray Charles was asked if Elvis was "The King"... He said, "Of what?"

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Elvis had the career that Roy Hamilton should have had, except Hamilton was black.

But it's always the same story. Black people create American culture, white people protest against it until the point at which they figure out how to water it down and re-sell it.

Re: Little Richard, the Rolling Stones stole in his shyt and re-sold it and somehow are more renowned than Little Richard ever was. It is what it is. I do remember as a young child thinking that rock music was "white music," growing up in the '80s with all the heavy metal and hair band trash that had totally diluted what rock music was, and it wasn't until I got older and found out that we also pioneered rock as much as we did the blues, jazz, or rap that I realized what had happened.

I think it is one of the towering accomplishments of black Americans as a whole that we have been the creative force behind an inordinate amount of American culture. But that's another post.
 

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But it's always the same story. Black people create American culture, white people protest against it until the point at which they figure out how to water it down and re-sell it.

Re: Little Richard, the Rolling Stones stole in his shyt and re-sold it and somehow are more renowned than Little Richard ever was. It is what it is. I do remember as a young child thinking that rock music was "white music," growing up in the '80s with all the heavy metal and hair band trash that had totally diluted what rock music was, and it wasn't until I got older and found out that we also pioneered rock as much as we did the blues, jazz, or rap that I realized what had happened.

check this book/short lecture


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The fancy name for them is chitterlings: the intestines of hogs — the leavings, after all the prime meat has been carved away — cooked and served as an essential ingredient of soul food. In addition to their important culinary function, they gave their name to an equally important American musical phenomenon: the “chitlin’ circuit,” which flourished throughout the South for about two decades beginning in the late 1930s. The circuit first provided venues in big cities and minuscule crossroads for black-run dance bands — the most famous, and the best, being Jimmie Lunceford’s — and then venues for the pioneers in what was first known as the blues, then as rhythm and blues, then as rock and roll: B.B. King, Joe Turner, Wynonie Harris, T-Bone Walker, Little Richard, James Brown, Ray Charles, et al.

The chitlin’ circuit was more than just music — it nurtured comedians and was championed in the plays of August Wilson — but Preston Lauterbach’s focus is on “how the chitlin’ circuit for live music developed from the late 1930s and nurtured rock ’n’ roll from the early 1940s to the mid-1950s.” Lauterbach, a freelance writer based in Memphis, got more than he bargained for when he decided to write a book about it:

The chitlin’ circuit story that unfolded through old newspapers, interviews with aged jitterbugs, torn scrapbooks, and city directories crossed unexpected backroads: the numbers racket, hair straighteners, multiple murders, human catastrophe, commercial sex, bootlegging, international scandal, female impersonation, and a real female who could screw a light bulb into herself — and turn it on. . . . These are the intertwined stories of booking agents, show promoters, and nightclub owners, the moguls who controlled wealth throughout the black music business. Until records eclipsed live shows as the top moneymakers, new sounds grew on the road and in nightclubs, through the dance business rather than in the recording studio. Though the moguls’ names are not recognized among the important producers of American culture, their numbers rackets, dice parlors, dance halls, and bootleg liquor and prostitution rings financed the artistic development of breakthrough performers.”
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Though the artists who were shaping their music and their careers on the chitlin’ circuit during the late 1940s and early ’50s eventually became known to a national audience that crossed and transcended racial lines, at the time they worked in an almost entirely black world that was virtually unknown to the “pop” (i.e., white) world. When Billboard magazine in 1949 “renamed its African-American music bestseller list from ‘Race Records’ to ‘Rhythm and Blues Records,’ ” however, it was a sign of change. Still, Lauterbach makes an important point:

“Influential gatekeepers have tended to treat ‘rhythm and blues’ as a genre-defining term rather than what it was, a marketing phrase, shorthand for black popular music in whatever form happened to be selling. The standardized definitions of rock ’n’ roll, courtesy of institutions such as the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame and Rolling Stone magazine, emphasize a fusion of black rhythm and blues and white country-western sounds, as if the two styles brought distinct elements to a new mixture. While that certainly applies to Bill Haley and Elvis Presley, some of the first rock ’n’ roll stars as such, it implies a shared primacy that simply didn’t exist at the true dawn of rock ’n’ roll. While black music was clearly rockin’ by 1949, country and western fans delighted to the sounds of yodels, waltzes, accordions, fiddle, and steel guitars — great stuff, but not the stuff of rock ’n’ roll.”

What happened to the music that was nurtured on the chitlin’ circuit was, of course, what has happened to black music throughout American history: Whites discovered it, fell in love with it and adapted it — “covered” it, to use the music-business term — to suit their own gifts and tastes. The great musical wave that brought rock and roll into being in the mid-’50s certainly profited many black musicians, among them Little Richard, James Brown, B.B. King and Ray Charles, but the greatest attention and financial rewards mostly went to whites. After the rise of rock and roll, black music moved into the mainstream as it never had before, but the music business then, as now, was owned and operated by whites for whites.



“The Chitlin’ Circuit,” by Preston Lauterbach, about pre-rock black music.
 

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Man this is why I've been on this kick lately of listening to old rock and soul music from the 50s and 60s and I really wish my fellow brothers and sisters would do the same just to get a sense of where we come from musically. There's so much of the black experience in that music. You can just feel it.

That's why even though he's lived a long life, losing Little Richard is going to hurt because because he's the last of the OGs that laid the foundation of ALL this shyt. RIP and thank you to the TRUE pioneers of modern day music :salute:
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I'm convnced that vlad grew up listening to other music and gravitated towards hip hop later in life. His recollection of events doesn't seem to come from personal memories but like he googled it.

Griff comments came out after Takes Nation of Millions. He said stuff OFF the record to a BLACK reporter. Reporter had a jewish girlfriend and probably a jewish editor at work, so he threw Griff under the bus for 30 pieces of silver. He was kicked out of the group briefly. jewish groups tried to bury P.E. Chuck D released the diss record of all diss records "Welcome to the Terrordome" firing back....and that was the lead single for the next album and Griff was back in the group then..and they made it a POINT to feature Griff in a group photo on the back of the album
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one of the 5 best albums of ANY genre ever released btw

These short vlad videos might have people fukked up about timelines and events and give half the picture.


And to keep it completely 100.....Elvis was still a racist and benefited from WHOLESALE copying Black artists, but Chuck D walked back the claim about the Elvis quote when music historians said that the "shine my shoes " quote was false.

The Rock Group In Living Colour took an open shyt on Elvis a few years after P.E. did it....

 

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Man this is why I've been on this kick lately of listening to old rock and soul music from the 50s and 60s and I really wish my fellow brothers and sisters would do the same just to get a sense of where we come from musically. There's so much of the black experience in that music. You can just feel it.

That's why even though he's lived a long life, losing Little Richard is going to hurt because because he's the last of the OGs that laid the foundation of ALL this shyt. RIP and thank you to the TRUE pioneers of modern day music :salute:
REST IN PEACE TO LITTLE RICHARD
 
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