Rap Genius says Jamaican Sound Clash culture is what created Hip Hop.... thoughts?

[UpAndComing]

- They said it started in the 1950s
- Had the guy controlling the music called the "Selector" which pre-dates the DJ
- Parties would consist of rival sound systems going against each other like in 1970s Hip Hop
- Toasting (which originated with ska, reggae, dancehall, and dub) pre-dates Rapping in America
- It was brought to the UK with the influx of Jamaican immigrants
- DJ Kool Herc who is Jamaican was influenced by Sound Clash culture and brought it to the US


So do they have a point?
Or are they completely off base?
Or is the truth somewhere in the middle?

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[Savvir]

Music is just one element of hip hop.

This claim doesn’t even make sense even if what they are saying is true.

 

[Mowgli]

Foh.

Lil babies uncle spittin

 

[Toe Jay Simpson]

This whole argument really rests on “Kool Herc was Jamaican”. They’ve been struggling to add a supporting argument for the rest for a minute now. Mans came to America when he was 12. This is ridiculous.

 

[NoirDynosaur]

@UpAndComing



This is the first Hip Hop song ever recorded

Listen to those drums!

 

[UpAndComing]

@UpAndComing



This is the first Hip Hop song ever recorded

Listen to those drums!

Already heard this a decade ago

Still doesn't discount the OP because this is 1968, and Sound Clashing in Jamaica was in the 50s

 

[Sbp]

Bullshyt

 

[papa pimp]

So if its Jamaican, why did it not simply get created on the island and why does it not sound like any other form of music originating from the islands

 

[The Fade]

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“From Reconstruction to the jazz age through today, this boasting tradition has been a uniquely urban phenomenon.”

They said it themselves that we were not listening to their music so why would we do Jamaican toasting when we have American toasting that predates it and is pretty in line with how black Americans rap and signify, and the element of improvisation.. and the fact that American (New Orleans specifically) rnb and jazz influenced two of the genres above(reggae artists were doing rnb covers in the beginning) claiming to have invented toasting.. and then you have blues and funk old heads claim either James brown started the shyt or they themselves did

Somethings not adding up

 

[Amo Husserl]

The dozens during rent parties with ya peoples, sharing a brew and some reefer... back in Harlem in the 20s.

They said it themselves that we were not listening to their music so why would we do Jamaican toasting when we have American toasting

Easy: erasure of an ethnic group using an adjacent one under the term "black".

 

[bubba scotch]

They never said sound clashes created hip hop.....

 

[Nkrumah Was Right]

The African American Toast Tradition

Interviews, sample toasts, and a history reveal African American tales, toasts, and adventure stories that are uniquely New Orleans.

www.louisianafolklife.org

“From Reconstruction to the jazz age through today, this boasting tradition has been a uniquely urban phenomenon.”

They said it themselves that we were not listening to their music so why would we do Jamaican toasting when we have American toasting that predates it and is pretty in line with how black Americans rap and signify, and the element of improvisation.. and the fact that American (New Orleans specifically) rnb and jazz influenced two of the genres above(reggae artists were doing rnb covers in the beginning) claiming to have invented toasting.. and then you have blues and funk old heads claim either James brown started the shyt or they themselves did

Somethings not adding up

Rap/toasting is from Africa:

 

[feelosofer]

The video didn't really allude to that.

 

[010101]

not the culture*

 

[Shadow King]

Part of the equation...