Random NBA Observations 2021 - 2022

[42 Monks]

I don't disagree with your take, but you can't really point to the Jazz like you do the Heat or Spurs in terms of having an eye for talent in the G league/draft and plugging them in where needed and turning them into bonifide players.

I refuse to believe the Spurs are the only organization who can turn non-lottery players consistently into plus players.

Edit: then again, royce oneale and joe ingles were those kinds of guys so

royce hasn't improved in any way for years and he's been eating up 30 minutes a night like its normal

ingles came into the league old. by the time bogdan got to utah he was 30. clarkson developed on his own too. snyder ain't like stotts where he's out there doing all he can year in and year out trying to make project guys into role players - he's been running the same shyt for 3 years straight more or less and you gotta stretch HARD to say he's been trying anything outside of what he's comfortable with.

everybody in the league knows what to expect from donovan and gobert - and the fact they're still effective despite the fact utah is stale on both ends is a testament how good those two are

 

[Thavoiceofthevoiceless]

royce hasn't improved in any way for years and he's been eating up 30 minutes a night like its normal

ingles came into the league old. by the time bogdan got to utah he was 30. clarkson developed on his own too. snyder ain't like stotts where he's out there doing all he can year in and year out trying to make project guys into role players - he's been running the same shyt for 3 years straight more or less and you gotta stretch HARD to say he's been trying anything outside of what he's comfortable with.

everybody in the league knows what to expect from donovan and gobert - and the fact they're still effective despite the fact utah is stale on both ends is a testament how good those two are

That was also years ago as well with those players. Where they really messed up is that they’ve traded a lot of draft picks and young players over the years for monetary reasons or win now players. This season isn’t surprising in the slightest as it was rumored in the off-season that they were looking to trade Clarkson or Ingles to reduce their luxury tax hit.

Don’t forget they made moves like trading Hart and Thomas Bryant to the Lakers for Tony Bradley

I’m not going to criticize the Conley trade as it was only so much they were going to get in return for the assets that they had at their disposal. The narrative that Conley was underrated helped fuel the trade as well.

 

[42 Monks]

That was also years ago as well with those players. Where they really messed up is that they’ve traded a lot of draft picks and young players over the years for monetary reasons or win now players. This season isn’t surprising in the slightest as it was rumored in the off-season that they were looking to trade Clarkson or Ingles to reduce their luxury tax hit.

You're not wrong, but Synder can't say he never got the help he asked for from his FO compared to other smaller market teams - where coaches have to build up damn near every rotation player on the squad AND convince them to stay at times. Dude got his legit vets and instead of bringing up younger players to fill roles and learn as those guys slowed down, he just hit the while Donovan throws himself at defenses tilted square at him all night and teams make up new ways to spin Gobert on his head.

I wouldn't even be critical either if any team ever felt threatened by Utah in the playoffs like that

 

[Squirrel from Meteor Man]

He's been mailing it in for years despite them having the #1 record last season?



I swear some of y'all just like to post dumb shyt for the hell of it. Utah hasn't developed into anything more because they have roster/chemistry limitations, not because their cokehead looking ass coach has been going through the motions. It's more to the contrary. He's borderline maniacal with his approach to the game, and it's possibly one of the reasons why this playing group can't move forward because they're mentally worn down by his style of coaching.

Not you defending Quinn Snyder

He’s another coach who has zero idea how to make any in-game adjustments. No wonder you think he’s good

You can’t blame roster issues and hype up their number 1 league record in the same breath. Blowing a 25 point lead in a close-out game has absolutely nothing to do with their roster.

 

[CarltonJunior]

Not you defending Quinn Snyder

He’s another coach who has zero idea how to make any in-game adjustments. No wonder you think he’s good

You can’t blame roster issues and hype up their number 1 league record in the same breath. Blowing a 25 point lead in a close-out game has absolutely nothing to do with their roster.

Breh you really gonna start a whole 6 month beef with gil over a coach that looks like a batman villain? Its not worth it

 

[Slic Ric]

royce hasn't improved in any way for years and he's been eating up 30 minutes a night like its normal

ingles came into the league old. by the time bogdan got to utah he was 30. clarkson developed on his own too. snyder ain't like stotts where he's out there doing all he can year in and year out trying to make project guys into role players - he's been running the same shyt for 3 years straight more or less and you gotta stretch HARD to say he's been trying anything outside of what he's comfortable with.

everybody in the league knows what to expect from donovan and gobert - and the fact they're still effective despite the fact utah is stale on both ends is a testament how good those two are

This team is NO different than the one that faced Westbrook & PG years ago, no adjustments at all

 

[Nero Christ]

Donovan just needs a legit number two

what if I told you that Donovan is the number 2

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

Not you defending Quinn Snyder

He’s another coach who has zero idea how to make any in-game adjustments. No wonder you think he’s good

You can’t blame roster issues and hype up their number 1 league record in the same breath. Blowing a 25 point lead in a close-out game has absolutely nothing to do with their roster.

It's amazing how you manage to take everything out of context to fight whatever bullshyt you come up with in your head. Regardless of his ability as a coach, he hasn't been "mailing it in for years". As I said, it's more to the contrary (that he's trying too hard), and it could be one of the reasons why the playing group doesn't respond to his style of coaching anymore. It's why a coach like Thibs has immediate success with a team, and then it wavers over time because the team can't keep performing at 100 Miles and Runnin' every game.

The Jazz having the #1 record last season is proof he hasn't been mailing it in for years - if that were the case, they would've gradually got worse and worse over the years. They've been a great regular season team for his entire tenure, but fall short in the playoffs because they lack the talent to take the next step. Effort gets you wins in the regular season; talent gets you wins in the playoffs. And yes, teams blow 20+ point leads all the time because they don't have the proper personnel to find their own water in droughts. Especially a team like the Jazz who rely on the 3 to generate a lot of their offense, where they're more like to put up big margins, but then lose them in equal fashion once the 3-ball isn't falling. It's not always because of the coach. You've already demonstrated you have absolutely no cotdamn idea when it comes to coaching, so again, I won't expect you to process all this.

Breh you really gonna start a whole 6 month beef with gil over a coach that looks like a batman villain? Its not worth it

It's never beef with that dude - just me dragging him over all the board. I don't even need to lace up for someone who's been trying desperately to argue that Michael Porter Jr. is a better player than Jokic, even when the latter is about seal back-to-back MVPs.

 

[tremonthustler1]

ain't like Utah has developed much of anything either

Snyder low key been mailing it in for years

gils emotional negs dude still in shambles over everybody tap dancing on his neck earlier this week

they haven’t had much to develop and it’s tough to crucify the Jazz because Tony Bradley didn’t pan out in the late 20s. A move for a big time wing would absolutely cost them Rudy and I don’t even know what team is gonna give one up to get him (because if you have a real good young wing you keep him).

Long story short they need their own Kuminga/Barnes/even Maxey

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

It's probably a good thread to make, to get the board's perspective of what they think coaching is, whether they put too much emphasis on it depending on who the coach is, whether they just make general assumptions without knowing what's really going on, confirmation bias about how a coach has performed in the past and going by the consensus (Pop is a prime example of this), what measures they use to judge coaching and whether they apply it the same to every other coach, how they weigh up players vs. coaches in the performance of the team.

I feel like 90% (at least) of the takes on coaches is folks talking out their ass.

 

[Thavoiceofthevoiceless]

they haven’t had much to develop and it’s tough to crucify the Jazz because Tony Bradley didn’t pan out in the late 20s. A move for a big time wing would absolutely cost them Rudy and I don’t even know what team is gonna give one up to get him (because if you have a real good young wing you keep him).

Long story short they need their own Kuminga/Barnes/even Maxey

Other teams are in need of those same wings as well and Utah doesn’t have the assets to even overpay to get them.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

Donovan isn't a #1 option they say; Gobert can't do shyt on offense they say; the squad is filled with marginal role players they say. But in the same breath, let's blame the coach for all of it. TheColi in a nutshell.

 

[Morethan1]

 

[TOAD99]

what if I told you that Donovan is the number 2

According to the coli everyone is a number 2 though

 

[42 Monks]

they haven’t had much to develop and it’s tough to crucify the Jazz because Tony Bradley didn’t pan out in the late 20s. A move for a big time wing would absolutely cost them Rudy and I don’t even know what team is gonna give one up to get him (because if you have a real good young wing you keep him).

Long story short they need their own Kuminga/Barnes/even Maxey

I'm not crucifying Snyder. I'm saying he's content not doing anything more than what he has - even if it makes life progressively harder for his two core guys.

They're still regular season successful. Just completely non threatening in the post-season because they have a coach that's unwilling experiment with ways to counter what opposing teams will (and have consistently) thrown at them. He knows Royce is limited and isn't even that great of a defender. He knows he'll need someone to fill Ingles' shoes sooner rather than later. He's not even tried to pull consistent minutes out of Paschall and NAW this year. Instead he's comfortable with Royce doing fukk all for 30 minutes and letting Whiteside put up numbers knowing the guy is a disaster waiting to happen in the playoffs.

They don't even try to be dynamic. That'd give them a few more Ls that would make things uncertain and uncomfortable at times Which is whatever because they're winning - but when I say the guy is mailing it in I think its fair because he's complacent and okay with not experimenting even if it means failing the same way year after year until all of his role players age out with no one to replace them.