Random NBA Observations 2016 - 2017

[Akata Man Bromo]

Shocking how bad he's been considering most people thought he'd make an instant impact.

Guess the Wolves should have made the Butler for Lavine/Dunn trade. And the C's made a good decision passing on Dunn.

Im not giving up on him already it's barely been half a season and he's the type to want to be great. Time will tell

 

[Gravity]

So you can't think of any more PGs (and Ish doesn't even start), and yet you can't see the point in somebody asking if you have any more examples of 'non-shooting, pass-first PGs' who are "really effective" to add to your argument of disproving the theory of @Malta and I?



You're essentially bringing a butter knife to a gunfight. You might be more of a rockbrain than I took you for.

The game is played differently now dummy. Teams now play outside-in instead of inside-out. These days teams put more importance on their point guard being able to score versus running the team. The lack of pass first point guards in the league doesn't discount my point that they can still be effective. Ishe proves my point. He's a marginal player but he has some basic fundamental point guard skills that can help teams win. You do not have to be a score first volume shooting point guard to be effective in today's league. The cavs would be a lot better if they had a pass first pure point guard. So would the thunder. Being able to push the ball in the open court, penetrate into the paint and collapse a team defense, and run a team in the half court while making good decisions are all skills more important to a point guard than being able to score. Your "theory" is nonsensical bullshyt. A prime Kidd would be a monster in today's league. Kidd definitely could average a triple double today.

 

[ALonelyDad]

 

[Swagnificent]

Shocking how bad he's been considering most people thought he'd make an instant impact.

Guess the Wolves should have made the Butler for Lavine/Dunn trade. And the C's made a good decision passing on Dunn.

most people are idiots then. i said last year that entire draft class was terrible outside of Ben Simmons and Thon Maker.

 

[AkaDemiK]

Haaaaaaaaaaaaaan

 

[Captain Crunch]

He's a 2. Always has been.

If you guys get Issac

Lavine
Wiggins
Issac
Towns

 

[Made Myself A Boss]

Sources: Knicks, Oakley move toward resolution

Anything other than the ban being lifted will be unacceptable imo

 

[Serious]

Trillblazers should be trying sign him as a backup on the low @Malta

 

[Serious]

So you can't think of any more PGs (and Ish doesn't even start), and yet you can't see the point in somebody asking if you have any more examples of 'non-shooting, pass-first PGs' who are "really effective" to add to your argument of disproving the theory of @Malta and I?



You're essentially bringing a butter knife to a gunfight. You might be more of a rockbrain than I took you for.

Yogi on the mavs is a pass first guard.

 

[CarltonJunior]

Can you name more examples of non shooting pass first PG's that are starters today who are still really effective?

Wall is the most glaring example. But the best pass first guards in the game are CP3, Wall, Lowry and believe it or not, Westbrook this season.

The game really has changed. If you're a roleplayer at the 1 you're more useful to your team as a scoring PG than a pass first one, which was the other way around before pace and space. The best pass first guards in the game now aren't even considered pass first guards because they can still drop 30 on you and likely will.

So y'all definitely got a point

 

[Malta]

As usual the point flew over your empty ass head. I wasn't saying that Ishe is better than Lowry or that Kidd never got outplayed by lesser players. The point was that even tho Ishe illustrates that non shooting pass-first point guards can still be really effective in today's league. There's this silly line of thinking that you and your buddy @Malta push saying that shoot-first point guards are better than pass first point guards, and that pass first point guards don't work in today's league. Even tho he's a marginal NBA player Ishe disproves that. Reggie Jackson is a talented shoot-first point guard while Ishe can't shoot, but the Pistons would be a better team with Ishe starting over him. Let me repeat again so you don't miss the point dummy, pass first point guards can be really effective in this league.

The fukk are you rambling about? The Pistons were 11-10 with Ish Smith starting, so successful

How about you name all the successful teams with pass first PGs today

 

[Malta]

@Malta Dunn looking real funny in the light Jones might be the future breh

You'd need to start Dunn to get a real idea of what he can do, very few young players can play well from the bench, look at how Jokic played from the bench vs now as a starter.

It is surprising how he was billed as the most NBA ready and he's had a worse season than 19 year old Jamal Murray.

 

[Malta]

The game is played differently now dummy. Teams now play outside-in instead of inside-out. These days teams put more importance on their point guard being able to score versus running the team. The lack of pass first point guards in the league doesn't discount my point that they can still be effective.

I stopped reading here


Ricky Rubio basically says shut the fukk up, a pass first PG that exemplifies everything you're talking about yet his teams are garbage because HE can't score or space the floor when needed.


Teams moved away from pass first PGs for a reason, it's why Elfrid Payton has been benched for CJ fukking Watson, why Michael Carter Williams been passed around like a dutch and why Rondo's game got the face the last few years.

 

[Flight]

@AAKing23 @Kliq_Souf @YallSOHHMaD?

Brett said Ben isn't even playing 5 on 5 yet? Is this a klutch thing or sixers thing?

 

[Akata Man Bromo]

You'd need to start Dunn to get a real idea of what he can do, very few young players can play well from the bench, look at how Jokic played from the bench vs now as a starter.

It is surprising how he was billed as the most NBA ready and he's had a worse season than 19 year old Jamal Murray.

You could be right breh, he looked good when he started but when he comes off the bench and is at the 1 the offense looks Its what we were trying to avoid last year when we had Lavine at the point