Random NBA Observations 2015 - 2016
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Its possible but I don't think their defense was strong enough to do so, unlike the Warriors of today who are elite on both ends of the floor. Plus they had really ill timed injuries with Joe Johnson getting hurt in the middle of the '05 playoffs and Amare going down in '06.
ALonelyDad
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even coaches got jokes
His run from 09-13 was not great, by any measurable scale.
He still pounds the rock - he's 5th in the league in time of possession while only producing 0.12 points per touch. That's the very definition of pounding the rock to no avail.
That's largely down to the fact he has two other shot creators (Gay and Boogie) in the starting lineup, and a minimal amount of wrinkles to open up players, which is something he's good at - getting the ball to players in a position to score. Ball movement doesn't deflate PPT to a point where a player that handles the ball more than everybody in the league, as if he's some player that doesn't get to control what happens during each possession (a bench player who has a strict role) -- and most certainly not to the degree where he only scores 0.12 per touch.
With the proper context (latest update) -
He touches the ball EIGHT more times than the second ranked player (Wall), yet only averages 12.7 ppg and you're struggling to comprehend as to how this hinders a team's offense?
Actually Jack has contributed (in terms of effectiveness and efficiency) just as much to his team's offense as Wall has so far. But that's another story altogether.
This is why it's important to put this into perspective, because although I don't hold it against him (said lack of depth), it certainly doesn't mean just because he's allowed to freelance that it's actually productive. You give any competent PG in the league the same amount of touches and pass/shot ratio to abide by and they'd average double digits assists, yet it wouldn't make their offense better.
Those stats aren't to paint a picture that hasn't already been painted many times throughout his career. It's just another coat, a reiteration of the effectiveness of his play. Same shyt happened in Boston, same shyt happened in Dallas. Which is why it's hard for me in part to understand why you don't see this, when we've been over this [ad nauseum] before.You're not gonna give him the botd for a slow start on a new team but we know how that goesHere are more stats without context, conveniently ignoring the fact that they won 3 of those 5 games Collison was out only losing (by a combined 27 pts) to the Spurs and Warriors. Also ignoring the fact that offensive and defensive rating become comparatively useless in games where a player is playing every minute which Rondo was doing.
(where are those stats even from? and how are you trumpeting advanced stats over a limited sample size without rigorous contextual analysis?)
I shouldn't need to elaborate. I don't need to hold your hand to walk you through this for you to see that one of the most heralded and decorated coaches in the game was hesitant to incorporate Rondo into his system, knowing damn well that he would hurt one of the greatest offenses in modern history, through his lack of shooting/scoring and micromanaging of a team's possessions. I don't need to hold your hand for you to see that only two coaches who've been excoriated for their coaching have let Rondo do what he wants at the expense of the team's effectiveness and efficiency with no accountability. I don't need to hold your hand for you to see Doc Rivers' offenses only became great when he saw the error in his ways of not getting the main ball-handler to push the tempo and make quicker decisions with a tie in of having one of the best offensive PGs in the game (Chris Paul).No point me giving you the benefit of the doubt if you're not gonna elaborate
Whether or not I know what you're getting at, it can't be a soundbite when you're getting at what he does well and a story when you want to say why he ain't shyt.
Hell no. Those Suns teams had zero defense. Warriors are one of if not the best defense in the league.
Rondo had 20 assists because the Kings literally substitute all real ball movement by just letting him run around with his head cut off between Cousins and all those shooters. They lost because they had no ability to slow the game down to protect their lead (which is built entirely off of their pace, 2nd highest in the league). That's how they lose all of their games where they're up.
Also, Frank had a damned good game tonight. Dude started the run off making our small ball a real threat and held it down through the 4th and OT - nailed Al to the bench.
Also, Frank had a damned good game tonight. Dude started the run off making our small ball a real threat and held it down through the 4th and OT - nailed Al to the bench.
Kang Deezy
Overall Nice Guy
Yup it's just me. Not his run from 09-13 and the multiple times he stepped his game up during the playoffs and showed out.
Weak shyt how? You accuse him of pounding the rock endlessly but how is that the case when he's not spending as long on the ball as most other prominent guards? Doesn't that suggests that he's spending multiple stints on the ball per possession in a system that favors ball movement? Isn't that something that might deflate PPT? Whatever the case, it's a pretty nebulous stat in terms of what it directly implies but you're using it in an extremely crude and disingenuous manner, unless you're also asserting that Jarrett Jack contributes as much to an offense as John Wall and Wiggins is the second most productive offensive player in the L.
You're happy enough to draw attention to his playing time inflating his assist numbers but somehow you're willing to overlook that and the Kings' lack of guard depth when talking about his possessions. :ehhh:
You're not gonna give him the botd for a slow start on a new team but we know how that goes
(where are those stats even from? and how are you trumpeting advanced stats over a limited sample size without rigorous contextual analysis?)
No point me giving you the benefit of the doubt if you're not gonna elaborate
Whether or not I know what you're getting at, it can't be a soundbite when you're getting at what he does well and a story when you want to say why he ain't shyt.
Get em!
Batum had a near triple double, Lin carried Kemba across the finish line, we never would've been down in the first place if Kemba could run a offense (that 3rd quarter tho)
but good for him. sell high
fukk outta here
kings lose leads all the time because when games slow down, which they do because people like to win games 
, rondo is outright counterproductiverondo bricking shots and destroying the kings real attempts at ball movement cost them a huge lead and the game
rondo's assists are the most bogus shyt i've ever seen in sports. 20 assists from a real PG would be game changing shyt. 20 assists from rondo and in the same game him even touching the ball in the clutch is what causes his team to lose. the kings players knew that him getting the ball was equivalent to a turnover.
but he had 20 assists
explain that shyt
Nope
I doubt they win too but it would've been GOAT offense
Curry, Diaw, Prime Amare, Barbosa, Matrix, and Joe? D'Antoni in the huddle doing lines of coke?
They would've been dropping STUPID numbers
Where can I get that shooting shirt ?
