Random NBA Observations 2014 - 2015

[Kd35brah]

Last Warriors game I went to they gave the Thunder that work

with a weaker team at that

With a weaker team.

 

[jaydolf spitler]

With a weaker team.[/QUOTE]
I'm just sayin. I've seen a lot of ppl on here count the Warriors out against the Thunder repeatedly when they played them close in every game last year. This year they have a better team so I dont see what's so farfetchd about the idea

 

[Kd35brah]

I'm just sayin. I've seen a lot of ppl on here count the Warriors out against the Thunder repeatedly when they played them close in every game last year. This year they have a better team so I dont see what's so farfetchd about the idea

This was without Westbrook along with Perkins and Sefolosha while having the worst season of their careers, Starting,

 

[threattonature]

If you're basing this off of previous years, they had big men out every time they made the playoffs and as you can see tonight they aren't the same without their big men. Also this team is way different and much more complete and don't turn the ball over with the exception of tonight

Your statement is easy to say about the majority of teams. Only one is gonna win the championship the rest will be ones that 'folded when adversity hit'

The Warriors are still far too turnover prone. They're averaging 16 a game. Third worst in the league.

With that said though I seriously think people are underestimating Golden State. With Bogut healthy they are legit championship contenders. They are deep as hell now and being able to bring Iggy, Livingston, Barbosa, and Lee off the bench is huge. Hell last year they still took the Clips to seven without Bogut and are a better team this year. In the west a first round loss doesn't mean shyt considering how deep the west is.

Curry and Klay definitely have the champion's mentality IMO. Especially Curry. Dude is fearless and is willing to throw the team on his shoulders when needed.

 

[Walt]

The Warriors are still far too turnover prone. They're averaging 166 a game. Third worst in the league.

With that said though I seriously think people are underestimating Golden State. With Bogut healthy they are legit championship contenders. They are deep as hell now and being able to bring Iggy, Livingston, Barbosa, and Lee off the bench is huge. Hell last year they still took the Clips to seven without Bogut and are a better team this year. In the west a first round loss doesn't mean shyt considering how deep the west is.

Curry and Klay definitely have the champion's mentality IMO. Especially Curry. Dude is fearless and is willing to throw the team on his shoulders when needed.

*imagines Bogut running the point*

 

[mastermind]

can you imagine a team averaging 166 turnovers a game

 

[I.V.]

We need that shimmy as a gif.



and guys are out here talking about KYRIE IRVING'S "championship mentality?"


But :rufio:

 

[FTBS]

Let's have a look at the games shall we?

vs Knicks: Irving (53% shooting, 22 points, 7 assists and 4 turnovers)
Bron (33% shooting, 17 points, 4 assists and 8 turnovers

vs Bulls: Bron (46% shooting, 36 points, 5 assists, and 3 turnovers)
Kyrie (35% shooting, 23 points, 3 assists and 4 turnovers)

vs Trail Blazers: Bron (33% shooting, 11 points, 7 assists and 3 turnovers)
Kyrie (17% shooting, 7 points, 5 assists and 1 turnover)

vs Jazz: Irving (52% shooting, 34 points, 1 turnover)
Bron (44% shooting, 34 points, 4 assists and 4 turnovers)

vs Nuggets: Bron (44% shooting, 22 points, 11 assists and 3 turnovers)
Kyrie (45% shooting, 12 points, 6 assists and 1 turnovers)

vs Pelicans: Irving (52% shooting, 32 points, 9 assists and 1 turnover)
Bron (52% shooting, 32 points, 9 assists and 4 turnovers)

vs Celtics: Bron (59% shooting, 41 points, 7 assists and 3 turnovers)
Irving (50% shooting, 27 points, 5 assists and 0 turnvoers

vs Hawks: Bron (65% shooting, 32 points, 7 assists and 3 turnovers)
Irving (66% shooting, 20 points, 5 assists and 0 turnovers)

vs Nuggets: Irving (41% shooting, 20 points, 8 assists and 4 turnovers)
Bron (44% shooting, 22 points, 5 assists and 4 turnovers)

vs Spurs: Irving (46% shooting, 20 points, 3 assists and 2 turnovers)
Bron (35% shooting, 15 points, 9 assists and 5 turnovers)

vs Wizards: Irving (43% shooting, 22 points, 2 assists and 3 turnovers)
Bron (38% shooting, 22 points, 4 assists and 3 turnovers)

vs Raptors: Irving (50% shooting, 22 points, 6 assists and 3 turnovers)
Bron (50% shooting, 15 points, 10 assists and 5 turnovers)

vs Magic: Bron (52% shooting, 29 points, 11 assists and 1 turnover)
Irving (55% shooting, 12 points, 4 assists and 0 turnovers)

vs Wizards: Bron (50% shooting, 29 points, 8 assists and 4 turnovers)
Irving (46% shooting, 18 points, 5 assists and 1 turnover)

vs Pacers: Irving (52% shooting, 24 points, 5 assists and 1 turnover)
Bron (50% shooting, 19 points, 7 assists and 3 turnover)

vs Bucks: Irving (66% shooting, 28 points, 6 assists and 1 turnover)
Bron (40% shooting, 26 points, 10 assists and 7 turnovers)

vs Knicks: Irving (66% shooting, 37 points, 2 assists 3 turnovers)
Bron (41% shooting, 19 points, 12 assists and 4 turnovers)

8 games in favor of Irving (in terms of production)
7 games in favor of Bron (in terms of production)
2 games split decision (Kyrie actually performed slightly better than Bron in those games)

Irving - 22.4 ppg (15.3 field goal attempts), 49% shooting, 42% 3pt shooting, 84% FT shooting (6.2 attempts per game), 4.8 assists and 1.8 turnovers per game

Bron - 24.6 ppg (18 field goal attempts), 46% shooting, 34% 3pt shooting, 75% FT shooting (8.3 attempts) 7.6 assists and 3.9 turnovers

Bron only scored 2.2 ppg more than Irving, despite taking nearly THREE extra field goals and TWO extra free throw attempts.

Irving: 81 assists and 30 turnovers - 2.7 assists per turnover
Bron: 130 assists and 67 turnovers - 1.9 assists per turnover

Irving - 62 TS%, 56 eFG%, 8.9 TOV%, 23.9 usage%, 125 offensive player rating
Bron - 56% TS%, 51 eFG%, 15.4 TOV%, 30.9 usage%, 111 offensive player rating

And although I don't like using advanced stats, because it doesn't give you an accurate picture - you can see the considerable difference across the board in favor of Irving.

In conclusion, Bron didn't put up better numbers, given the fact he was more careless with the ball (killed the Cavs' momentum more than Kyrie did through double the amount of turnovers) and was less efficient shooting from the floor - Irving was the more productive player over that span.


No. He's only 22-year-old and doesn't have the greatest passing or vision and his lower amount of touches to build an offensive rhythm means that he can only play so well.


Of course it does, but then you also have to weigh into account what difference a new system, different personnel and allowance for star-player workloads affect a player's performances. We've seen how Love has struggled this season.



In part that's true, I wouldn't say he's had more freedom though, certainly not in the sense where he's been given free reign due to the fact that Bron handles the ball more than he does. He's had to be more conservative this season, and pick his moments more (which is certainly beneficial since he doesn't need to be scoring all game) - as I said before close to 90% of those games, Irving was the leading 4th quarter points scorer in the league while still maintaining a 49/50% shooting average.


Bron hasn't been consistent by any standard, let alone his own. The evidence is all through the first quarter of the season - high percentage high point-scoring, adequate assist-to-turnover game, followed by a low-percentage low-point scoring, abysmal assist-to-turnover game - repeat cycle. He's been up and down over that span, whereas Irving has been more consistent.



His lower level isn't on Kyrie's level - the evidence is above.



Which is exactly my point, Kyrie has been playing consistently great more than Bron has over that stretch, and given that their production (which really is in favor of Kyrie) is similar that Kyrie was the better performer. Kyrie stepped up more than Bron did throughout those games.



Nah, I think you need to watch the games you missed this season and put it next to the games you did watch. You'll see.

Not gonna lie, I skimmed . Kyrie has the edge in shooting and it's comparable in scoring. How many times must I say this? That's it though. Every other facet of the game is advantage Bron so what it really comes down to is you valuing shooting% and scoring over the entire game. If Bron was out here avg. 17 pts and didn't have his share of big games and quarters in addition to being a table setter and if the Ws and Ls didn't correspond with his better performances I would be prone to agree with you. It ain't Kyrie who they look to to get other folks going. It ain't Kyrie they look to to guard a top player in the 4th. It ain't Kyrie that is at the top of the opposing Ds hit list. You gotta do more than score, especially when you aren't the top focus of the opposing D for me to say that you are outperforming a dude that is scoring and doing that other stuff. You continue to ignore this and spew more and more about scoring and shooting which I conceded how many posts ago. So unless you have a substantive response to that, there is really no need to go any further.

If you do respond, could you keep it concise breh?

 

[inndaskKy]

So Curry isn't clutch?


You're an idiot.

Again, they´re a team of frontrunners. Both Curry & Klay are very streaky. If the team as a whole isn't gelling, both these guys often just sorta disappear. Miss me with your fragmentary highlights 'proving' otherwise.

 

[Kal El]

can you imagine a team averaging 166 turnovers a game

MCW tryin his best to make that happen

 

[delta]

Again, they´re a team of frontrunners. Both Curry & Klay are very streaky. If the team as a whole isn't gelling, both these guys often just sorta disappear. Miss me with your fragmentary highlights 'proving' otherwise.

Dawg you a fukking idiot and should start watching bbball. Klay is not a "create his own shot type player", but dont put curry in that shyt. like 60-70% of his baskets are unassisted
http://hangtime.blogs.nba.com/2014/10/23/numbers-say-warriors-should-pass-more/

, Stephen Curry is a matchup nightmare. He doesn’t need a pass — just a screen or a little bit of space on the break — to get an good look at the basket. Curry and Carmelo Anthony tied for the league lead with 456 unassisted field goals each last season, and Curry (142) had 54 more unassisted 3-pointers than any other player.
But Curry is still a better shooter off the pass than off the dribble. Last season, he made 48.9 percent of his catch-and-shoot jumpers and 43.7 percent of his pull-up jumpers.

So yes, there is motivation for the Warriors to pass the ball more. Less than 25 percent of Curry’s jumpers were of the catch-and-shoot variety last season. If the Warriors can get him off the ball more, they should be a more efficient offense.

 

[Kd35brah]

Again, they´re a team of frontrunners. Both Curry & Klay are very streaky. If the team as a whole isn't gelling, both these guys often just sorta disappear. Miss me with your fragmentary highlights 'proving' otherwise.

Right...

Curry has performed to his season averages in 2 out of the 3 playoffs series he has participated in. Only reason why he played bad in the Spurs series was because he injured his ankle.

In the first playoff run of his career he produced games like these.







His 2nd playoff run:





Curry has risen to the occasion numerous times, but you're too blind to see it.

 

[inndaskKy]

Dawg you a fukking idiot and should start watching bbball. Klay is not a "create his own shot type player", but dont put curry in that shyt. like 60-70% of his baskets are unassisted
http://hangtime.blogs.nba.com/2014/10/23/numbers-say-warriors-should-pass-more/

I wasn´t saying Curry relies on his teammates to score. I said if the team as a whole is performing poorly, he often follows suit. Same with Klay.

Right...

Curry has performed to his season averages in 2 out of the 3 playoffs series he has participated in. Only reason why he played bad in the Spurs series was because he injured his ankle.

In the first playoff run of his career he produced games like these.







His 2nd playoff run:





Curry has risen to the occasion numerous times, but you're too blind to see it.

These highlights are all beside the point. I wasn´t calling Curry a choker but someone whose performance tends to go down when the team as a whole is not playing really well.

Y´all making it out like I hate Curry or his skills. I don´t. I´m just doubting the Warriors´ resilience. This team does not , for example, have the resilience yet that the Heat showed for most of four years. Kinda done arguing this. Y´all think Curry is God and the Warriors are his disciples, I think he´s just a top 10 player in the league on a top 4-8 team come playoff time. It is what it is. Time will tell.

Although you guys might wanna temper the 'Curry is the clear MVP' talk if he's outperformed by Harden, despite the win.

 

[Diddly Drogba]

 

[MeachTheMonster]

9 in a row tonight, okc doesn't stand a chance even if lebron doesn't play